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R171 AMG with lots of faults-> PROBLEM FINALLY FIXED!

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#1 ·
During a drive today I got the following errors/faults on the car.

1. Speedo stopped working
2. ABS warning light in dash
3. Speedtronic faulty
4. Display faulty
5. Warning for brake wear
6. Tire pressure monitoring out of order
7. No digital speedo
8. Driving computers just showing time and nothing else
9. Servo steering turned heavy

and the most peculiar of all - outside temp showing 0,0 deg C.

Tried to read the codes with a simple OBD-reader. Absolute nothing was shown. Did a battery reset and the codes where gone and I could get out of Park with gear shifter. 500 meters later the same issue. Restarting the car shows "No Malfunktion" for 3 seconds, then we are back to the same thing. Have to use the release button the get the car out of Park.

MB dealer said it's the battery, but thats not the issue. I would had to wait for 3 weeks before they could take a look at the car, so I took it to an Indy and they says it's the ESP control module - at least to 90% certainly.

They will change it later this week or beginning of next week. Let's see it that does it - othervise I would have blown 1.000.- USD + labour.

What do you think? All exept the outside temp reading points to things that involve monitoring of speed and managment of that. Or?
 
#2 ·
Outside temp
Is the probe still in the grill by fog lamp?

Rest, first instinct would be battery with so many issues.
We know from others that a poor battery causes a host of electrical issues.

Scan shows nothing?
Did either garage use SDS scan?

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#5 ·
Outside temp is weird - 0,0 deg C is the freezing point and it's +8 deg C here now.

Battery is 2 years old and doing fine. Just went out and measured 12,5 V.

The Indy is a MB-indy and he has the all correct tools. The scan took 10 minutes, but I didn't get the codes.
 
#8 ·
I'd need to see the SDS Print Out before I comment ;)
 
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#10 ·
There's a lot of other much less expensive stuff it could be, that's why I won't comment without SDS Fault Codes Print Out ;)
 
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#12 ·
Anyway, I did change the battery, just in case......... and the faults stayed away during a 10 km trip. I am totally amazed, can a battery die in a running car? And then show full voltage afterwards? When the faults first appeared I had driven the car for 20 km from start.

I am not convinced that it was the battery, but hopfylly or hopfylly not, it will show in time. But can I trust the car now?

Many thanks for your inputs before!
 
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The "old" battery was bought and installed just a year ago. It's marked April 2019. The battery that was before that lasted - guess what - just a year. And, yes, I have them on a CTEK during winter.

This battery in the car now is bought today.

The Voltage in the dash shows a stable 14 V (13,9 to 14,1) along time after start. After 45 minutes drive it slowly drops to 13,3 or 13,5.
 
#17 ·
My battery when driving starts at about 14.3 as it is charging the battery and then drops to 13.3 etc after a while as the battery charges to 12.6/7

are the batteries u r buying MB batteries? they are warrantied for only 2 years
 
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not the expert but as mentioned, a battery with a dead or dying cell, still has 5 cells working as they should, but that one cell can get the electronic gremlins to hold a meeting and next thing you know....what happens happens
my ctek 3.4 has a step that sees if the battery is able to even be charged
 
#21 ·
I had a 2005 SLK55 AMG with only a second battery through 120,000 miles of use and two owners, me being owner #2. I had a similar issue like the OP with error codes but mine was diagnosed as a fuel line electrical that fried. Was repaired at an MB dealership (~$1200). They told me I was lucky that it was just the electrical line to the fuel pump.

I never use CTEK or battery tender... and my battery lasts forever. My current 350 is 6x,xxx miles, 8 years since delivered to the MB dealer (June 2012), and still on same battery. Knock on wood.

Curious as to why or how the SLK seem to "eat" or wear down its battery so quickly...
 
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#22 ·
I had a 2005 SLK55 AMG with only a second battery through 120,000 miles of use and two owners, me being owner #2. I had a similar issue like the OP with error codes but mine was diagnosed as a fuel line electrical that fried. Was repaired at an MB dealership (~$1200). They told me I was lucky that it was just the electrical line to the fuel pump.

I never use CTEK or battery tender... and my battery lasts forever. My current 350 is 6x,xxx miles, 8 years since delivered to the MB dealer (June 2012), and still on same battery. Knock on wood.

Curious as to why or how the SLK seem to "eat" or wear down its battery so quickly...

some have a Smarttop (early versions used more juice) or any 3rd part power stuff like cameras or radar detectors, etc
 
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#24 ·
@Swedish Steven,

Here's how it works in simpler terms, A Starter Motor will crank an Engine even at 10.5 Volts.

ALL post circa 1997 Mercedes monitor Voltages. A volt meter in Cig Lighter, Dash Display etc is not a good indication of Battery condition, I'm not sayin' it's a bad thing, but the only sure fire way to check a Battery is with a Heavy Discharge "DROP" Tester, basically a Voltmeter with a scale and a big Heating Element built in ............. NOT WITH ENGINE RUNNING, OR KEY IN IGN !!

Certain ECU's, like f.e. Traction Ctrl, Transmission, PSE, EIS, etc etc will shut down and pop a "Voltage" Code at way more, like some will pop it at just under 12 Volts.

So from this we can see that it is quite feasible for a weak Battery to start the Car, but it may be dropping to say 10.5 Volts whilst Cranking, so then when you are started and drive off you can get issues because another Module like Traction, Trans etc has seen LOW Voltage and in laymans terms, thrown a fit, thrown a wobbler, chucked teddy outta the crib etc etc ;)

This is exactly why I wanted to see the print out, because potentially you could have spent $2000 getting a Module replaced when there was nothing wrong wi' it ;)

It might still need replaced, but signs are good so far. Modules don't fix themselves.

It might also have been a bad connection, bad relay, bad fuse etc etc etc, all of which cost way less that $1000 +++++++++++++++

NB Voltage Figures quoted may vary they are merely just quotes for sake of example to illustrate my point ;)

HTH,
 
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#25 ·
I am with you all the way now. Didn't know about this:

"So from this we can see that it is quite feasible for a weak Battery to start the Car, but it may be dropping to say 10.5 Volts whilst Cranking, so then when you are started and drive off you can get issues because another Module like Traction, Trans etc has seen LOW Voltage and in laymans terms, thrown a fit, thrown a wobbler, chucked teddy outta the crib etc etc "
 
#28 ·
Looks like the ESP box after all
Once again, what are the Codes .........................

How's about thinking of the cheaper options, like Relays, Connections, Fuses loose or bad, Speed Sensor intermittent, and a whole host of others ...................

Give me the Codes etc and I'll be able to tell you whether you are just about to waste ÂŁ1000 +++++++++++++++++ ..........................

Or not ;)
 
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#32 ·
Thing is no matter what you read iCS does not even do 1/3rd of what an SDS Machine will do.

OK so it's a learning curve, that is what the forum is here for, it's not that difficult, especially if you imagine that it is translated from German, so for example when you want Live Data, look in "Actual Values", a Full All Modules Code Read ? ............. "Quick Test" etc etc etc
 
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#33 ·
Tomrrow I will go back to the Indy to get all codes. But something is for shure wrong with the car. Since I parked it exactly two days ago and until I took it to work this morning, I lost 20% of the Ah in the battery. After a 40 minutes drive to the office I was still at 80% and during the day I lost another 20%. See incl pic. The alternator is doing its job with 14 V.

Can a faulty module drain the battery when the car is off and locked? Now I put it on a charger and I also measured the drain with a clamp ampmeter. The positive going to the engine block was 0, but the other postive showed 0,5 A drain.

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