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MB is introducing an SLC 180 as a new entry sports car that's expected to undercut the Mazda MX-5 RF on monthly finance payments.

The new entry-level SLC 180 has a turbocharged 1.6-litre engine, producing 154bhp and 184lb ft, mated to a manual six-speed gearbox. The car can sprint from 0-62mph in 7.9sec and on to a top speed of 140mph.

While this makes it 0.6sec slower from 0-62mph than the 2.0-litre-engined MX-5 RF, the SLC 180 offers better fuel economy, with 48.7mpg to the MX-5 RF’s 47.1mpg, and lower CO2 emissions, outputting 134g/km to the RF’s 161g/km.

The SLC 180’s smaller engine and manual gearbox make it the lightest model in the SLC range, weighing in at 1435kg. Like the rest of the 2017 SLC range, it's now only available in AMG Line trim, which adds AMG-designed bodywork and 17in alloy wheels.

Mercedes has confirmed to Autocar that the SLC 180 is on sale now, priced from £32,039, which is £2681 less than the previous entry-level model, the SLC 200.

That list price is £8644 more than the entry MX-5 RF and £2419 more than another rival, the Abarth 124 Spider, but a Mercedes spokesman said that the SLC would have lower monthly prices due to its better residual values, making it cheaper on a Personal Contract Purchase (PCP) deal.

Production of the SLC 180 is scheduled to begin in June and first deliveries are expected at the end of July.

The current best selling SLC model in Britain is the SLC 250d, which accounts for close to 70% of total model sales. The UK is the SLC’s biggest market, with around 4000 units sold here each year.

Reports have suggested that the SLC won’t be replaced when the current car’s lifecycle ends, due to the small number of sales currently in the compact sports car segment. Mercedes was unable to comment on the matter.
 

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I don't think "rival" is the word.
I'd take the SLK everytime, and so, in the UK one can be had for less per month than the Mazda.
 

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The 180 and the fact you can only order AMG line trim has been on the website configurator for over a week.

autoebid is showing a £7500 discount off this price, dropping it well into the RF territory, at £24,750, with leather and 18 inch alloys and all the other and line refinements. Carwow may go even harder but they aren't showing the 180 yet.
 

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BTW that competition is the same car with a different engine - FIAT (Abarth) 124 is built on the Miata chassis.


Is the SLC not as short as an SLK ? Or are they planning to add boost which would make it the SLCK ? Of course having fuel injection would make is a SLICK.
 

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There is just something epically broken about a company whose sales system starts off with a £32000 list price then automatically gives you a £5000 discount. If it's a £27000 car then sell it for that and give us some decent residuals.

And On DriveTheDeal you can get a 200 AMG Line Auto or 250d AMG Line Auto for the same price as a worse spec 180 Manual.

And the MX-5 isn't £24000, it's £21000 after discounts. And the finance is cheaper too.

Bottom line is the MX-5 is £185/month with a 10% deposit (£2100) and the SLC 180 is £250/month with a £2500 deposit because the residuals are just shocking.

And I rather think if I was putting my own money into it, I'd probably take the MX-5.
 

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I don't see the current MX target market moving for the SLC.


For the younger, it is slower and judging by the figures wja96 has, dearer.


The whole idea of the MX is nip and tuck.
The rival to that would be a 230 Kompressor R170, not the SLC. If one could be had new.


Most buyers, although they say economy is a major factor, will choose 0.6 seconds faster I suspect.


MB, what have you done.
 

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I bet Mazda are having a right old chuckle at Mercedes being so nervous that their little Targa is so obviously a serious competitor that the grand Germanic brand has to come down to their level. Never seen Mercedes so demeaned.
Factor in the UK dirty diesel campaign which if not now will soon have an effect on 250d sales then the SLC is doomed.
I note that more than one UK motoring publication indicates specifically or infers you'd be a fool to buy a new SLC diesel or petrol.
 

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The rival to that would be a 230 Kompressor R170, not the SLC. If one could be had new

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A facelift 2001 SLK230 sold here last year with less than 3,000 km total for about one third of the price of a new SLC200.

So, that's pretty close to new.

Ones with 20,000 km come up not infrequently.

I wonder how many were bought as a third or fourth car by couples and only driven a few times each year?
Or husband bought one as a present for wife (or other way round) and the recipient wasn't that interested in it, so never drove it.

There are so many low milage ( sometimes one owner) R170s still turning up. It seems to have been the " must have fashion accessory" of that era.
The surprising new concept of a truly compact Mercedes roadster was so desirable.
It did bring many new customers to this brand, but clearly many existing customers just added one more car to their garage.

If Mercedes tried to repeat it, with a much lighter , simpler, cheaper replacement would there be a customer base for it? Cars are a fashion industry after all.
It would have to have outstanding revolutionary styling, class leading handling and a perfect balance of price, performance, prestige and equipment. Even then would it be able to make big sales and serious profit in a super competitive market?

Mercedes need to keep attracting young, under 30, customers and it seems the A class with its hot A45 is doing that.

I wonder how many SLC buyers are under 50?

So I can't see the Mazda as a rival, the two cars are designed for completely different use, and with very different target customers.
 

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I bet Mazda are having a right old chuckle at Mercedes being so nervous that their little Targa is so obviously a serious competitor that the grand Germanic brand has to come down to their level. Never seen Mercedes so demeaned.
Factor in the UK dirty diesel campaign which if not now will soon have an effect on 250d sales then the SLC is doomed.
I note that more than one UK motoring publication indicates specifically or infers you'd be a fool to buy a new SLC diesel or petrol.
Well I must be a fool according to the motoring mags as I have a new 250d. Just got back from my regular trip down the motorway of 225 miles. Much exceeding of the speed limit but down to 50 mph at road works. Indicated consumption was just under 60 mpg. Euro 6 diesel with an adblue tank in the boot, can diesels get much cleaner?

You would be forgiven to think that 40,000 premature deaths a year from air pollution would have people dropping dead on the pavement but these figures are most misleading and widely quoted by politicians jumping on the 'I'm greener than thou' bandwagon. The reality is that the premature deaths averaged out relate to a three day reduction in life expectancy. No way! I hear you say, have a read of this article below then decide.
Cheers, David

https://medium.com/wintoncentre/does-air-pollution-kill-40-000-each-year-people-in-the-uk-ecca96fb3a1a
 

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Well I must be a fool according to the motoring mags as I have a new 250d. Just got back from my regular trip down the motorway of 225 miles. Much exceeding of the speed limit but down to 50 mph at road works. Indicated consumption was just under 60 mpg. Euro 6 diesel with an adblue tank in the boot, can diesels get much cleaner?

You would be forgiven to think that 40,000 premature deaths a year from air pollution would have people dropping dead on the pavement but these figures are most misleading and widely quoted by politicians jumping on the 'I'm greener than thou' bandwagon. The reality is that the premature deaths averaged out relate to a three day reduction in life expectancy. No way! I hear you say, have a read of this article below then decide.
Cheers, David

https://medium.com/wintoncentre/does-air-pollution-kill-40-000-each-year-people-in-the-uk-ecca96fb3a1a
I don't think you are a fool, 40,000 deaths premature deaths a year, soon be 40 million deaths by one fool. Enjoy your new car and have fun.
 

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I have drove the new MX5

It's a great car, very fun and fast to drive. The gearbox and the steering Wheel can put a smile on your face all day long...

However it's a totaly diferent car from the SLC that i have drove to. Not better or worse, just a different car and for target market totaly differente from the MB

I think as the SLC sales are so bad, they are on purpose downgrading to the level of the MX5 to boost out sales. That's the worse you can do when you are not winning...
 

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Well I must be a fool according to the motoring mags as I have a new 250d. Just got back from my regular trip down the motorway of 225 miles. Much exceeding of the speed limit but down to 50 mph at road works. Indicated consumption was just under 60 mpg. Euro 6 diesel with an adblue tank in the boot, can diesels get much cleaner?

You would be forgiven to think that 40,000 premature deaths a year from air pollution would have people dropping dead on the pavement but these figures are most misleading and widely quoted by politicians jumping on the 'I'm greener than thou' bandwagon. The reality is that the premature deaths averaged out relate to a three day reduction in life expectancy. No way! I hear you say, have a read of this article below then decide.
Cheers, David

https://medium.com/wintoncentre/does-air-pollution-kill-40-000-each-year-people-in-the-uk-ecca96fb3a1a
The entire anti-diesel movement is just another way to get us to buy something or pay for something through taxes.

Cigarettes and tobacco kill far more than diesel ever will and they just put the tax up every year.

Anything with a DPF is extremely clean and the latest Euro 6 cars are cleaner than petrols in reality. The next generation of petrols will have to have particulate filters because they suffer from the same issues as the CR diesels.
 

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The new Miata RF is a sweet little ride too. Love the way it looks and drives but boy it is cramped.



Honestly I think MB missed the boat with the SLC pricing was/is wrong and the car looks outdated. MB should have come out with a cheaper and redesigned SLK. Younger buyers are not interested in the SLK and us old farts start to buy cars that have more compfy stuff and easier to get in/out.:grin::grin:

I would buy another SLK in a heartbeat if it would be a bit cheaper and would have the looks of a modern car. The best SLK was the R170/171 the R172 never struck the emotional cord with me when you go looking/buying a new car . Honestly the new MB Cars do nothing for me at all in the looks dept.:|:|
 

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I think the new MX5 looks great but MX5s have never been good for tall people.
I like the look and funky design but wouldn't want to own one.
The SLC might be old fashioned but hey that what I like about it.
Top down or up its comfy with more gadgets than you can shake a stick at.
And the metal folding roof is a real joy!
I love it!
 

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SLC PCP prices are better on a 200 than a top model mx-5 RF.

I can see why they want a cheaper product out there as convertible sales in general are terrible, not just the slc. A smaller engine version has been available in Europe for some time, as has a smaller engine Z4.

They are still showing no discounts on the RF ( the soft top mx-5 is ) but they may do at a later date, it's only fresh out.

My r171 silk auto will have had virtually the same performance as a 180. That was enough for me and for some people it may be enough also. it wouldn't change my choice to have a 180 over the 200 SLC I have ordered as the road tax and fuel consumption figures aren't a factor, but for many £2000+ purchase cost might be.

I know the discounts will affect residuals, but my 171 had a £4000 discount and a £3000 deposit contribution in 2010, so it won't be too different to that. My R171 was more expensive to buy 7 years ago, more to fuel, more to tax.

Inflation adjusted it's a much cheaper car and to be honest, if it wasn't, I'd still have my old car, so the discounts worked in my case. I know one could argue that they should just slash the list price, but it is easier to relax discounts if the market changes than to justify putting £4000 back on the list price overnight.

I have had 2 mx-5's and loved them, but I personally would prefer an slc 180 to an mx-5, at the prices out there now, I know many wouldn't. My slk wasn't as good as an Mx5 going sideways down back roads, everywhere else I'd take the slk or slc, just my choice.


A base model mx-5 (£23,000 list price, source Mazda's own U.K. Website) rf with £3000 deposit is £389 a month on a pcp at the moment. £289 if you put down £6360.
Move up to a 160PS Sport model with metallic paint its £349 a month with £7107 down. That's more deposit and £50 more a month than the deal I got on a 200 AMG Line auto, never mind a 180. I know the rf may eventually get discounts, but I am sure the 180 prices would remain competitive, even if they don't remain the cheaper option, as they are now. I just couldn't see myself buying the Mazda for more per month than the Mercedes.
 

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Of Course we will not see the 180 in NA for the price it would be a great car 2 mod it a little for your liking. If top speed is not important for you why not the R 170 came with 4 spark plugs and it had plenty of Uff Dah to cruze along and still do some fancy back road driving.:wink: Love it that it comes with a stick.

Set on a German roadster but a bit cash-strapped? Mercedes-Benz is here to help ease the financial burden a little, with the announcement of the new entry-level Mercedes SLC 180.

The new SLC-lite model has a 1.6-litre turbocharged four-cylinder engine producing 154bhp and 184lb ft of torque. It’s good for a 0-62mph launch time of 7.9 seconds, which is 0.9sec slower than the SLC 200 model, and manages to hit 140mph before running out of puff.
 
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