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How dead does a battery have to be?

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Hi,
The last three times when I tried to start the car, it took like five or six tries to get it to start. When I move the key to the engine crank position all the idiot lights on the gauge cluster are lit, and the radio and HVAC fan start and the bottom display adds P for Park and S for Sport, but the engine does not turn over.

I took out the key and tried multiple times and then suddenly after about five tries the car starts.

I had problem today at 3:00 PM when I went to pick up my son, and again when we stopped at the store on the way home. It's 4:15 and I just went out and tried it again and of course now it starts repeatedly. I displayed the voltage level by moving the key one notch clockwise and hitting the reset button three times and the display says 11.9 V prior to starting. With the engine running it says 14.1 V.

I don't remember what the voltage was at 3:00 PM when I had the problem, but my question is: Would voltage down around 10 V make the car not start? I guess I should just replace the battery and see if that fixes the issue, I did have to jump the car one time when I was working on it and raises and lowered the top a few times without the engine running.

The only other thing that I can think of that is causing the problem is the key: I only have one and maybe something there is the issue.
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11.9 V prior to starting. With the engine running it says 14.1 V.

Would voltage down around 10 V make the car not start?
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You keep that battery, it's gonna leave you stranded sooner rather than later.

The quesion will be asked so I will:

what's the mfg date on it? Based on what you've said the date really does not matter.

New is required (y)
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I don't know the manufacture date on the battery, but since you say the date does not matter I'll just get a new battery.
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How old is the battery? no idea? Time for a new battery
charging and recharging a dead or dying battery cel/s will not fix the problem

someone has a bad heart, you get a new heart, not a new pacemaker

and you should never run the roof without the car being on.
once in a while, sure, to show off but not make it a habit
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If it DOES start "eventually", it's likely not the battery..

Although it probably is, but not the premier reason.. It could just as well be a sensor. Either the CAM or the CRANK shaft sensors. They're known to cause these kind of problems - put the key in, turn/crank it and nothing. Pull it out, put it in, turn it to "2" and wait a few seconds and then crank... THEN it starts..
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If it DOES start "eventually", it's likely not the battery..

Although it probably is, but not the premier reason.. It could just as well be a sensor. Either the CAM or the CRANK shaft sensors. They're known to cause these kind of problems - put the key in, turn/crank it and nothing. Pull it out, put it in, turn it to "2" and wait a few seconds and then crank... THEN it starts..
Turbo,
Thanks for that info. The next time it does not start I'll try the procedure you give. I did try starting it this morning and it started immediately after sitting all night, and the voltage was around 10 prior to starting.

I did take a look at the battery, picture below, and the date is 6/21, so it's only two years old.

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fyi mb oem batteries only warrantied for 2 years

so how long is your everstart warrantied for? 4 year free replacement warranty

so get it tested and get a replacement
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It HAS been said before, by me several times :) , but these cars are seriously sensitive!

WAY to sensitive if you ask me, but there's 15 "computers" in the R171 and 30 (!!) in the R172.. The battery is at the heart of this. If any of the computers don't work properly (for whatever reason, in this case maybe power?!), then you'll get these .. "weird" issues. Almost impossible to pin down, there's seldom any actual triggered errors to go by.


I recommend getting a name brand battery, instead of that .. whatever that is!! :D Also, AGM batteries have been noted not to .. "work as it should" (weird errors, gone away once it was replaced with a "normal" one). Some swear by it, some have had issues..

Also, don't cheap out on the power. I got a Varta Silver 74Ah for my 55 and it was MUCH more responsive after that. My old battery was not at all bad (I HAD gone too low a few times - although not zero!), which takes a toll on the battery over time. It was a few years old, so I changed it anyway, just because I wanted peace of mind. Don't go below 70Ah, that's IMO just borderline..


Considering how "cheap" (all things considered) a new, PROPER/KNOWN-GOOD, battery is (I payed £93 for mine, which is a bit steep but by no means horribly more than any other, cheaper brand), I'd recommend replacing it "just because". It should be done regularly anyway, because of aforementioned considerations.

Don't go cheap, this is a high performance sports car, it deserves good quality parts. No point in trying to save £10, £20 or even £30 when it's very likely to be a problem in the long run..

If the error/problem persists after that, at least you know it's absolutely not the battery, and I'd start looking at replacing those sensors. Again, "just because".


We're usually VERY resistant to "replace parts at random" here, which is very good and correct. BUT, there are parts that "should" be replaced, "just because" :). Just because they're very likely to be a problem, they're very likely to cause issues "shortly" (if they're not already! :) ), because it can be very difficult to pin down the error to something specific, and are known to go bad, AND that are cheap enough that it won't cause an economic ruin. EVEN if you have to get a professional to replace them for you. But both of these are simple and quick enough, so even if you only have a basic knowledge on how to use a spanner, you can do it. Maybe with a bit of guidance, but still :D :D.

They're only about £40 a pop. Not sure how many you have, but I have one of each in my 55 - some have two CAM shaft sensors. Not sure which engines have that though..
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That is Walmart's brand :D
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I don't know the manufacture date on the battery, but since you say the date does not matter I'll just get a new battery.
When you go to get a new battery,they can check the battery for a dead cell or sulfated plates, ect, hand held battery load tester analyzer.
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If it makes you feel any better I swopped out Bosch at 2 years. battery said it was OK but it wasn't. :eek: Yuasa 3096 was around £72 (UK)
Also as discussed before, some of us get all the lights on the dash and give the car 5 elephants before cranking. Just give it chance to decide if it wants to play.
Numerous reports of anything around 12v being a problem.
Battery is quickest, cheapest and easiest thing to change, if the problem is elsewhere it'll take time and/or money to chase it.
remember the old days, check; battery,plugs and fuel - still true today!
my 2 pennywortho_O
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If it makes you feel any better I swopped out Bosch at 2 years. battery said it was OK but it wasn't. :eek: Yuasa 3096 was around £72 (UK)
Also as discussed before, some of us get all the lights on the dash and give the car 5 elephants before cranking. Just give it chance to decide if it wants to play.
Numerous reports of anything around 12v being a problem.
Battery is quickest, cheapest and easiest thing to change, if the problem is elsewhere it'll take time and/or money to chase it.
remember the old days, check; battery,plugs and fuel - still true today!
my 2 pennywortho_O
After finding my boot bulb removed and reading here about battery drain from it, always a good idea to put the phone in boot on video if suspected drain somewhere?
I just spoke to my trusted mechanic, and he said that if I replace my AGM battery I need to get the exact same AGM, size, and amperage all of which I planned to do, but he also said that I have to "Register" the battery with the car. This part is news to me.

I just did a search on the site and found references to "coding" the battery to the car for the R172 generation of cars. Is there a requirement for our R171 cars? Or can I just swap an exact same AGM H6 into my R171? Thanks!
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no such requirement

he might think your radio needs a code, but not with r171
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My guy did (even though its a 172) but didn't call it "registering" to the extent that he made sure everything functioned as normal so ......
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and any h6 size size 48... does not need to match the previous battery
oem batteries for r171 were not agm
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i have had about 6 batteries in 15 years in my r171 and NEVER had to register anything
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Registering is probably not the right term. Just make sure everything works as it should after install. For example, he cycled the roof 3-4x to make sure it worked as expected.
after new battery installed...

resynch/reset windows
adjust clock if necessary

some techs also check alternator function
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