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Hello guys,

I am quite new here since I have only had my 230komp for about 3 weeks, but I have already benefitted a lot from all the great posts and advice here (both prior to and after the purchase of my car). Thanks a bunch fella's!!

While washing the marvel the other day I noticed that the drain plugs were clogged. I logged on here and sure enough, it seems to be a rather common issue. However, during my search for solutions I did not come across a post that summed up the drain locations and tips on cleaning each of them. I should mention though that I had great use of the post on how to clean the "rear window drain" with compressed air and a tube - that was the worst of them all.

Anyway, this post is an attempt to summarize the drain points on the 170 and share my experiences on cleaning them. I will focus only on the tubed drains which are designed to drain water to the ground (as opposed to alle the hollow rubber seals on these cars. I am hoping that others will chime in with additional info/tips/experiences to the benefit of all.



I found 8 drains on my car:
  1. Driver side front windscreen
  2. Passenger side front windscreen
  3. Center front windscreen
  4. Driver side rear window
  5. Passenger side rear window
  6. Driver side luggage compartment
  7. Passenger side luggage compartment
  8. Fuel cap drain
I used a plastic wire with a spring tip that electricians use for tracing in-wall electrical wire routes (I have no idea what this is called in English:confused:) and a piece of 5mm rubber tube for cleaning of drains nos. 1-7. Could not make this work for drain no 8 but was finally successful cleaning this drain with pressurized air.


Ad 1: The position of drain 1 is below the plastic cover for the wiper arrangement which is attached to the bottow part of the windscreen all the way to the drivers side. It is not necessary to remove the cover to clean the drain which can be accessed at the end of the cover at the driver side (where all the leaves and other crud is washed over the edge of the cover and into the drain :td:) but it will help to undo a couple of the screws that fixes the cover to the firewall to remove whatever is caught at the top of this drain. This drain is routed in a very windy way around the fuse box and through the inside liner of the engine compartment towards the front fender. The lower part of this drain (which is where the real blockage is probably located) can be accessed through the hole for the side indicator light. The indicator assembly is easily removed by sliding it towards the front of the car and then pulling out the rear end of the assembly. The rubber hose of the drain is now visible through the hole. If you have anything larger than slim fingers, you'll need a pair of small pliers or similar to grab the hose and extend the lower end of it out through the hole. The hose is only long enough to just reach out through the hole and you can easily clean the crud out.

Ad 2: If you found drain no 1 - you'll have no trouble finding no 2. It is all the way to the passenger side and easier to clean as it is more straightly routed. Same procedure as for no 1 getting access through the indicator light hole.

Ad 3: Drain no 3 on my car has no tube connected and drains directly onto the gearbox. This was not clogged on my car but would supposedly be the easiest to access and clean simply by working with your fingers through the drain hole from below.

Ad 4: This drain is located just between the rear window and the trunk lid and has a grille cover mounted over the opening. This drain hose is routed towards the rear of the car between the black plastic liner of the luggage compartment and the rear fender and ends at the lower rear inside of the bumper on the driver side. Yeah, I know it is a lousy explanation and I did not have my camera handy when I did this job (and even if I did I would not have wanted to put my hands on it :)). You can locate and follow the drain hose through the hole behind the first aid kit and see where it exits into the bumper - with this in mind you should be able to locate the end opening of the drain hose by getting under the car with a flash light. This is the most difficult of all the drains to clean - but also the most important (along with no 5). I made good use of the flex plastic wire and blowing through the rubber hose intermittently. In retrospect I think I would fill up the drain hose by pouring water into it and then get under the car and massage the end of the drain hose with a screwdriver or similar to get the crud out that way. Either way I believe that it will take a good amount of time and dizzyness (if you like me do not have a compressor - hmmm isn't there one in the trunk for the tyre repair kit...? Doh!). Just hang in there, it is such a relief when the big splash of muddy water is all over the floor.

Ad 5: Pretty much like no 4 just on opposite side of course. This hose can be tracked through the hole where the hydraulic pump is located (remove the lid which is located just opposite the first aid kit in the passenger side of the trunk).

Ad 6: This drain point is easily noticeable from under the car with its cylindrical outlet with a rubber seal in it. It can be seen from the top side through the "broom" seals along the trunk lid arm arrangement. This drain is intended for draining the inside of the trunk and you will hopefully thus hopefully never need it but it should d... well not be clogged in case you do!

Ad 7: Same as 6 - just opposite side.

Ad 8: Located below the fuel cap and is routed alongside drain tubn no. 5 described above, which means that it is very difficult to get to. I could not clean this with the fishing tape. I eventually blew the crud out (carefully) with pressurized air from a "gun". I wrapped some paper tissue around the air tube to make a seal between the air tube and the drain pipe - worked like a charm. I guess this method would be effective for all the other drains too...


I hope that the above can be of some help to someone. It is a very easy claning job to do and it will do your car a lot of good to be able to get rid of the rain or washing water in stead of accumulating pools at the front and getting into the trunk and its electric modules at the back.

Have fun!

Raindog
 

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you can also check:

1. After you open the roof, you will notice drain holes in the corners between inner and outer seals, above the windscreen.

2. Where roof and windscreen meets, above sidewindows, there is a piece of seal that touches the sidewindows (just below where seals meet). If you look carefully you will notice a drain hole on the corner to the front.


If you keep these clean they will avoid small leaks inside because of worn seals :)

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The ones you have listed as 1, 2 and 3. I think the water then enters an air vent. Number 3 certainly isn't blocked, I have tested it. 1 and 2 are emptying very slowly, so need to get to those. Going to see if I can buy some wire today that I can stick down them.
 

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Ouch, sounds unpleasant. Drain No 1 & 2 as listed above are definitely more prone to blocking than no 3 - and much more difficult to get to :-(

Do you have the indicators on the fenders? If you do, I suggest that you start by taking those off and "massage" the ends of the drain tubes as I am 99% sure that's where the blockage is located. If you don't have the fender indicators, you probably have to take off the front wheels and remove the plastic liner in the wheel well and reach up to get to the drain tube.

Good luck!

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Had a load of rain last night and a fair bit got in the car.

My drains are all mostly clear, so I have no idea how it is getting in. They are draining a little slowly, but more than enough for the rain.

The seal at the bottom of the windscreen isn't looking too healthy. Could that be the problem?

Have ordered some rubber silicone sealent (needed something a little thicker than gummi pfledge) and will treat the seal when I put everything back on. Have also ordered a battery terminal puller (to get the wipers off). Luckily not too much more rain forecast, so hopefully all the stuff will arrive soon!

Will try removing the indicators again, but didn't have much luck when I tried yesterday.
 

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I do believe that the bottom seal at the windscreen could be the culprit.

I recall having heard that these (also the top one) can be shaped when heated. Unfortunately I have no experience with this to share, and I imagine that some care has to be taken to avoid risk of cracking the windscreen.

I hope you get the leak sorted!
 

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Fixed it :)

Turns out there was a pile of leaves/soil at the entrance to the passenger side drain (on both sides of the "wall", thus blocking the drain between them too) - water had been building up on both sides of the wall, and was then running down the blower vent (won't use this for a while).

Removed the plastic cover, and sucked up all the rubbish with a powerful hoover (it even sucked a load out of the pipe). Then washed the rest out with a hosepipe - water is draining super fast now :thumbsup:
 

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Hi Raindog,

Brilliant, thanks for kicking off this excellent thread.

I have a real problem with the passenger footwell getting very very wet/soaking.
I initially thought it was a leak I had from the roof, between the roof and top of windscreen. However I used a silicon lubricant for the rubber seals and the drip has practically stopped, so there is no way the amount of water in the footwell is coming from the drip.
Honestly the carpet is soaking.

Now, my heater/interior fan stopped working at the weekend and I took it apart (after getting tips from the forum) and when I unclipped the plastic base of the fan, loads of water came pi**ing out. I thought aha, that is where the water is coming from. But where mate, I haven’t got a clue where that water is coming from? And from the look of the plastic fan base the water looks dirty?

Is it the drain holes being blocked?

Thanks again for your help with this mate, cheers.

Craig
 

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Hi Craig,

From your description, I do think that you - at least - have a blockage of drain no 2 (wind screen, passenger side). It sounds much like what Captainrave experienced.

Do you have the side side indicator on the fender? If so, that is IMO the easiest access point for clearing the drain tube. If not, I suggest undoing the plastic cover (that sits around the wipers) and blow with some compressed air down the tube (described under "Ad 8" in my first post).
 

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Hi Raindog,

I will have a go at cleaning the drain holes at the weekend when I get back home.

Yes I have side indicators on the front wing. Thanks again mate, I will let you know how I get on, cheers.

Craig
 

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Drain holes

Hi Raindog,

I checked the drain holes under the plastic surround on the windscreen wipers and they were blocked solid with mud. I was amazed to see how much!!!!!!
I cleaned both corner holes with a metal coat hanger. When I checked the drain plug in the center found a huge puddle just sitting there.........full of water. I was amazed how much. As you said I cleared the center plug and the water ran onto the gearbox. I will keep an eye on it and hopefully the carpet will start drying out.
Thanks again for your help.

Craig

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Thanks for the update Craig. I sincerely hope and trust that the drains cleaning will solve your problem.

Maybe you should consider speeding up the drying by placing some silicagel or other absorbant in the cabin

All the best

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Hi,

I have just checked (I work in Holland Monday to Thursday) the passenger carpet floor and it is as wet as before. I am gutted, I thought I had it sorted.
I have checked the front center drain point and it is definitely clear. The ones in the corner, both sides, where does the drain clear to? When I check the ones either corner, I have cleared them of mud etc last week, when I put down a metal coat hanger it doesn't go clear through. It only goes in a couple of centimeters.
I am confussed where this water is coming from.
Any help would be appreciated

Craig:tazz:
 
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