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4/28/15 10:00am

There is a common scam car buyers need to be aware of, largely because the best solution to is to not fall for it. Kind of like telling you the best cure for a particular illness is to not get sick. It’s called Curbstoning and it happens every day to naïve car buyers.

You see an ad on Craigslist or your internet marketplace of choice. It is the car you are looking for and the pics look good. You call and speak to the owner and he tells you about the car and says the right things. He’s had it a while, it’s treated him well and he is selling for an innocuous reason. You ask to see the car and he gives you a residential address. You go there and he meets you out at the curb where the car is parked. (Note: An actual curb is not necessary for this transaction but it adds literary merit to this piece.)

You walk around the car and even take it for a test drive. Everything seems legit. You haggle on the price and strike a deal. You pull out your cash and the seller –

Pulls out a title in someone else’s name;
Pulls out a purchase agreement with the name of a dealer as “Seller”; or,
Says the transaction needs to take place at a local dealer where a “friend” of his has agreed to help with the “paperwork” for this transaction.
These kinds of shady deals are all referred to as Curbstone deals. I have personally spoken with many people who have been taken in by deals like this. They usually are being done by people who are dealers pretending to not be dealers or by people who are not dealers but ought to be because they sell too many cars.

In Michigan, if you sell five or more cars in a year, you are required to get a dealer’s license from the state. Similar laws exist in other states. But, many people don’t bother to get licensed. Background checks can be hard to pass because of a felonious past, or maybe they don’t want to pay the small-business-crushing $75 fee. The problem is that the state rarely - if ever - enforces this rule. As a result, non-dealers sell cars all day long from the curbside, the local parking lot, or wherever else they can park a car. Often, they “skip” the title by not recording their own name in the chain - signing the title from the person they bought the car from over to you directly. The upshot of this is it looks as if you bought the car from their seller and the curbstoner manages to stay off the radar.

Some might wonder why an actual dealer would try and sell a car from in front of a house rather from the comfort of their own cramped lot on Eight Mile. Most people feel a little better about a prospective car purchase if they believe they are talking to an actual owner of the car who has spent time living with it rather than just a salesman trying to sell a car he knows nothing about. Many people would come haggle in a front yard long before they’d willingly step inside the twelve square-foot salesroom of “Bob’s A-1 Car Shack.” All else being equal, most people would consider the regular-owner car to be worth more than the curbstoned dealer car.

Strangely enough, curbstoning in Michigan is not illegal in and of itself when done by a licensed dealer. The law says that a dealer must conduct “a large share” of its business at its location - implying that it is allowed to conduct a lesser share of its business elsewhere. Where the transaction gets murky is whether the dealer-seller is truthful and so on about the reason the business is taking place in front of a residence in Ferndale, rather than at the dealership on the other side of Eight Mile in Detroit. Again, laws vary from state to state but this appears to be how it is in many states: the few laws that cover this are rarely enforced.

And because of the large amount of gray in the various areas of the transaction, it is simply better if you avoid the transaction altogether. When you find out that Craigslist has led you down a bad path, walk away. I know, it shatters your world view to believe that a total stranger might try to mislead you for profit on the internet. It’s time you found out the hard way: the internet can be that way.

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Having an SLK for sale on Craigslist currently, and having experience buying online, I can safely say that the waters are shark-infested, and full of dealers masquerading as both private buyers and private sellers. Half the calls I've recieved have obviously been from people who are only looking for a quick profit. I think the general population is aware of this though, and rightfully cynical. The other half of my calls always start with "are you a dealer?" Everybody knows the used car business is rife with corrupt practices and everybody knows it's "buyer beware". That doesn't mean there aren't honest transactions to be had though.

My state charges a hefty fee every time a title changes hands, which drives "non-registered dealers" to that exact behavior: buying a car but not re-titling until selling the car on.

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If you don't want to get screwed:

Check the VIN on the title matches the VIN on the car.

Check the seller's name on the title matches the person selling the car. Get identification.

Go to a bank or some place that has a notary and completed the title transfer.

However, what's described as curb stoning isn't a problem as long as you get a genuine legal title to the car you are looking at. As I remember it, I can buy a car without completing the paperwork to put it into my name. I can then sell it by simply handing over the notarized title to the new owner who would then put the car in his name.

Correct me if I'm wrong?>:D
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