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Cold morning no crank / start. Then suddenly ok after a few tries. EIS switches cleaning.

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All I can do is ask dumb questions…

I wonder if it uses a hall sensor for detecting the key rotation like the camshafts…. Or capacitors like the front SAM… Or if it’s wave soldered like the K40’s of the R170.

You must be careful since breaking it means a tow-in to a really good shop or the dealership.

How many connections are there between the barrel and the circuit board?

And it looks like there is a heck of a relay on it, have you tried measuring the load side during cranking to see if it’s wonky?

Which external pins, if any, do the load and control circuits of that relay connect to?
 
Ok, so keep in mind I don’t have a clue what I’m talking about…. But I can say the starter relay is activated by a CAN message to the front SAM. (Where the relay lives).

I would try reflowing the solder at those six connections just for grins.
 
I’m loving this… totally awesome work. I see where the electromagnet trips that white lever - so when the key goes in, and the ring energizes, and the key chip energizes and transmits the correct bits… then the lever moves down and allows rotation.

Can you say, from the geometry of the plastic cams, which switches open and close when?

I do wonder why there are four switches, not just three.

And I wonder why the ring is divided in two - maybe one is for power, and one is to receive the transmission?

Trace as much as you can all the way to the external connector, if possible.

There was some discussion a while back on the R170 forum that the windows, etc, can be operated for a short time after removing the key; and this Is controlled by something in the switch.
 
And another thing - there are some high-amp electrical consumers that are not allowed to operate when the engine is being started.
 
So the theory is that one or more of the switches inside the barrel is marginal, and spray cleaner + operating the switch with your finger cleared it up?

I wonder if those switches are commercially available, and how hard it might be to replace them.
 
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