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We will never doubt our spy photographer ever again. Yesterday, we showed you images of the new SLC unmasked and told you it might get its official launch by midnight Central European time.

And, guess what, that’s precisely what happened. Mercedes-Benz finally took the wraps off its facelifted roadster, and while the car does look considerably more modern than before, it’s not all great news.

We’ll skip right to where it hurts the most just to get it out of our system. The pre-facelift R172 roadster had an AMG version that went by the name of SLK55 AMG. The new SLC too gets the AMG badge, but now it’s called AMG SLC43.

So what, it’s only numbers? Well, no, it’s not. If the old version used a 5.5-liter V8 engine developing 421 hp and 540 Nm (398 lb-ft), the new one has the same engine as the C450 AMG, namely a 3.0-liter bi-turbo V6 good for 367 PS and 520 Nm (383 lb-ft). Calling it a full-blown AMG model won’t actually make it one, Mercedes. Who do you think you’re fooling?

But if you manage to get over the fact that you’re basically being cheated and the less spectacular sound, the lighter engine and its similar performance figures might actually make an interesting drive out of the Mercedes-AMG SLC43. God, it will take us some time to get used to this totally arbitrary name. However, the on-paper numbers don’t stack up in its favor: the AMG SLC43 takes 4.7 seconds to reach 100 km/h (62 mph) from a standstill, while the SLK55 AMG only needed 4.6 seconds.

If we’re on the subject of engines, it’s worth noting that besides the AMG version, the new SLC comes with just four other models. The least powerful is also the only one not using a two-liter engine - it’s the SLC180 with a 1.6-liter four-cylinder turbo churning out 156 hp and 250 Nm (184 lb-ft) from as low as 1,200 rpm. Higher in the pecking order sit the SLC200 with 184 hp and the SLC300 with 245 hp. Finally, there’s also a diesel version called SLC250 d that offers 204 hp and nearly as many torques as the AMG SLC43 - 500 Nm (369 lb-ft).

Regarding transmission, the top three models - SLC250 d, SLC300 and AMG SLC43 - come standard with the new 9G-TRONIC automatic transmission, while the other two models can get it as an option over the standard six-speed manual. Using the DYNAMIC SELECT feature, the car’s parameters (engine, transmission, steering and suspensions) can be adjusted on the fly and go from comfort to sporty, depending on the situation or the driver’s preferences.

The exterior design of the new SLC has changed just the right amount to make the car look fresh, able to soldier on for another four or maybe even five years. The most obvious is the front end where the new radiator grille kept the same overall shape but has a different mesh design, while the bumper down below has been completely redesigned to feature a more aggressive look and larger air intakes.

At the rear, the SLC also features a new bumper design with side air vents and an air diffuser with integrated tailpipe design. We’re not so crazy about that last part, as from some angles you can see the actual tailpipe behind the nice-looking mask and it’s not glorious at all.

The interior is trying to save the appearances, but considering the clean layout of the more modern Mercedes-Benz models, it shows it belongs in the past. It’s true it still has plenty of company - the SL, GLE, GLS and the whole range of compact cars related to the A-Class still feature it - but it looks dated. It probably wouldn’t be so bad if we didn’t have the C-Class to compare it with, but that’s the price you have to pay for having more beautiful relatives.

So, all in all, the SLC means a big step forward for the SLK and a huge leap sideways (and maybe even some baby steps backwards) for the SLK55 AMG. Mercedes-Benz is downsizing, and that’s OK, but it's not completely honest about it. But it’s fine because we're not either when we say we like it.


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2017 Mercedes-Benz SLC Is Officially Here, but Hides a Nasty Surprise
 

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and here is the press release

Stuttgart. In March 2016, 20 years on from the birth of its segment, the archetypal compact roadster is to be relaunched with a new name – the SLC – significantly optimised technology and an enhanced look. The name change acknowledges the traditionally close relationship with the C-Class, from which much of the roadster's technology is derived. There are new additions to the model line-up – the sporty top-of-the-line Mercedes-AMG SLC 43 and the entry-level SLC 180. In visual terms, stand-out features include the standard-fit diamond radiator grille and the LED Intelligent Light System (optional extra). Prices will be announced when the SLC is available to order in mid-January 2016.










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The v8 was the only thing that made me buy the slk over a bmw or Porsche, but I guess I don't fit in their revised target market group.

I think the switch to a smaller engine would have been fine if they had reduced the size and weight of the car, but it doesn't make sense that they are selling the car at a similar price as the pre facelift with worse performance.
 

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Just who is this target group that MB want to confuddle with numbers?

They suggest professional, but if it's 5.5L the 55 makes sense. If it's 1.6L then 18 doesn't.

The AMG end of the market surely want power, performance, or both. Downsizing an engine to give similar performance would not draw me in.
Sure, Insurance 'may' be cheaper. Probably not by much and unlikely to be a key influencer for that car.

Were I lucky enough to own any 55 then the new, top of range AMG would get me rushing out.
We (all SLKers) are lucky enough to own attractive cars, so a new shape is surely not enough either.

It looks nice, goes the same. Not exactly a blood letting slogan to sell cars.
 

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Tobias Moers was quoted as saying the SLK was in need of a little love. Some were hoping to see the 4.0L TT in a nextgen version, but it seems unlikely, now.
...so much for the "new"AMG.

Makeover for the SLK 55
When pushed on which AMG he considers to be the weakest in the range, Moers points to the SLK 55. “There is one which needs a little bit of something, which is obviously the SLK,” he says. “I think we have to do something. There’s still a future for it, but we have to take care of the SLK.”
How, exactly? “We have to increase the performance level, in terms of driving dynamics. Not the power output, but just the driving dynamics. It’s OK as it is, but it’s not in the new spirit of AMG.”


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There were previous suggestions about two levels of AMG versions, the top one being an SLC63 with the 4.0L turbo V8 available in the current C class. So they may be holding back. When prices are released, if the SLC 43 is somewhat less than a current SLK55 (say mid to upper 60s US), I think it's a clue that an SLC 63 is around the corner, say at $76K, i.e. less than the SL400.
 

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I'm a complete tart, the tin top convertible + interior/exterior styling is what drew me to the SLK R170 in the first place and I liked each successive generation better than the last, the performance, handling & power output stuff is of much less importance to me... as for the SLC, I love what I've seen so far, there isn't anything in those pictures that isn't an improvement over the SLK R172 for me.

This site is primarily for enthusiasts and as such I guess that there's likely to be a greater interest in the performance side of things than prospective SLK/SLC buyers in general so I can understand the disappointment being expressed in this thread. However MB are in the business of shifting volumes and generating a broader appeal these days, so I guess moving to smaller, cleaner and more efficient engines with (slightly) funkier styled product is where they have to go.

I only bought my car a year ago so I'm not in the market for a replacement quite yet but if I were, I'd go for the SLC like a shot. Like it or loath it the SLK is dying, long live the SKC :smile:
 

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I'll stick with my noisy V8 thanks. And as for the so called 'new' design, it seems MB designers are getting lazier by the minute. OK so they took the shifter from the SL, stole the grill from a new C class and....................what? Total disappointment in order to save on design and parts. And I am sorry, and yes I know its all about marketing and I am a snob:x, but the AMG brand is so watered down now it's getting beyond ridiculous..every model that comes out of MB has an AMG in its line up....next up the AMG Smart Car...if not already out there:surprise:
 

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OK..just read up a few more things on the PL AMG site on the SLC43, a few more personal settings and they state a better handling car, comes in black with red stitching and multi-spoke wheels..wow (didn't I just get rid of those wheels with the 350 R171 AMG Package I sold?:surprise:). Is that the best they could offer, a rummage around in the parts bin for a set of wheels left over from a previous model?

I want a mad cap, noisy on the edge of your seat ride that makes over 400hp (500 would be nice>:D) not a V6 TT making 367..err ...excuse me; its a bloody AMG!! It's like the tree huggers have taken over the Asylum; yes AMG's used to come out of an Asylum and you had to be mad to drive them.

I hope as others have suggested AMG come up with something bigger in a year or so......perhaps hit us with a 'Black Series'>:D
 

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Gawd, you guys are funny!

I want a mad cap, noisy on the edge of your seat ride that makes over 400hp (500 would be nice) not a V6 TT making 367..err ...excuse me; its a bloody AMG!!

For what gain? 400hp and the car cannot turn a corner without computerisation? Porsche use an engine near half the size and, as a car, knocks spots off any Mercedes. But hey, if noise and straight line is what you want, then yes, stick with the 172 55 because it is not coming around again!

Yes, the new one is an AMG - probably more AMG input than the 55! For a start, the torque comes in at 2000, not the 4500 from a lazy V8. AMG have done more to this engine than they ever did to the V8.

The 43 has less performance - um, I suggest you look at the figures again! Ok slower by 0.1 second. That is bad>:D. How is this going to look at the traffic lights (for this is the only place it will count as the average Boxster will have you on turn 1, and turn 2, and turn 3!)

Admittedly the bi-turbo V6 will not be noisy in the same way that the 55 is not 'noisy' compared to a good old TransAm, not noisy in the same way the AMG Formula 1 engine is not noisy compared to the old 3500s - but it is quicker and faster! This is what new cars are all about - technology change!

And in all the banging on about 'losing my noise', no one - even the intro commentary makes any mention of where someone is really trying to give the SLK/SLC something: A revised sharper steering rack and pinion, redesigned front and aft suspension to give better road handling ( this will be a real bugga to the 55 drivers as the 43 will be able to take that corner better!), Active Brake Assist is a standard feature, all mounting rubbers are a stiffer compound, LSD is now a factory option and the roof can now be lowered without setting the separator in position. Oh, and the roof hinges have been stiffened with a factory spec the roof can be lowered at speeds up to 30mph. On the downside, I understand that they have not incorporate 'easy lift' into the stowed roof which to me is the only thing they skimped on. The rest, yes, bring it on..!

So it might be, just might be something that this facelift MIGHT be able to take forward and MAYBE meet Porsche half way at last..!
 

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The v8 was the only thing that made me buy the slk over a bmw or Porsche, but I guess I don't fit in their revised target market group.

I think the switch to a smaller engine would have been fine if they had reduced the size and weight of the car, but it doesn't make sense that they are selling the car at a similar price as the pre facelift with worse performance.
That is exactly why I bought the 55 instead of the Boxster S, you just cant beat the passion of a V8
 

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Gawd, you guys are funny!

I want a mad cap, noisy on the edge of your seat ride that makes over 400hp (500 would be nice) not a V6 TT making 367..err ...excuse me; its a bloody AMG!!

For what gain? 400hp and the car cannot turn a corner without computerisation? Porsche use an engine near half the size and, as a car, knocks spots off any Mercedes. But hey, if noise and straight line is what you want, then yes, stick with the 172 55 because it is not coming around again!

Yes, the new one is an AMG - probably more AMG input than the 55! For a start, the torque comes in at 2000, not the 4500 from a lazy V8. AMG have done more to this engine than they ever did to the V8.

The 43 has less performance - um, I suggest you look at the figures again! Ok slower by 0.1 second. That is bad>:D. How is this going to look at the traffic lights (for this is the only place it will count as the average Boxster will have you on turn 1, and turn 2, and turn 3!)

Admittedly the bi-turbo V6 will not be noisy in the same way that the 55 is not 'noisy' compared to a good old TransAm, not noisy in the same way the AMG Formula 1 engine is not noisy compared to the old 3500s - but it is quicker and faster! This is what new cars are all about - technology change!

And in all the banging on about 'losing my noise', no one - even the intro commentary makes any mention of where someone is really trying to give the SLK/SLC something: A revised sharper steering rack and pinion, redesigned front and aft suspension to give better road handling ( this will be a real bugga to the 55 drivers as the 43 will be able to take that corner better!), Active Brake Assist is a standard feature, all mounting rubbers are a stiffer compound, LSD is now a factory option and the roof can now be lowered without setting the separator in position. Oh, and the roof hinges have been stiffened with a factory spec the roof can be lowered at speeds up to 30mph. On the downside, I understand that they have not incorporate 'easy lift' into the stowed roof which to me is the only thing they skimped on. The rest, yes, bring it on..!

So it might be, just might be something that this facelift MIGHT be able to take forward and MAYBE meet Porsche half way at last..!

There are many cars out there that will leave the 55 in their wake when it comes to handling etc, as you rightly said the Boxster and even a BMW will leave me standing in the corners, but for me its not about getting it technically right, its about having fun, taming the 'beast'. I mean it was madcap in the first place to stick a V8 in such a small car, perhaps the car model should have been named SLM, Short Light Mad. Its the same with the C class..madness, but ask any motoring journalist in which drivers seat they are permanently smiling in and they will take an SLK 55 and a C63 over a BMW or Porsche. And on another note what happened to the 'One man, one engine' slogan now that the SLC's AMG engine will not be built by hand? In which case that's another reason to stay where I am.

I just hope MB come up with something beyond the SLC43; after all I just as well go and buy an Audi or BMW if I want the perfect handling car, all wheel drive etc. At the end of the day its about choice, looking at the SLC it doesn't make me want to trade in my current model for the future.....just let at least.
 

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There are many cars out there that will leave the 55 in their wake when it comes to handling etc, as you rightly said the Boxster and even a BMW will leave me standing in the corners, but for me its not about getting it technically right, its about having fun, taming the 'beast'. I mean it was madcap in the first place to stick a V8 in such a small car, perhaps the car model should have been named SLM, Short Light Mad. Its the same with the C class..madness, but ask any motoring journalist in which drivers seat they are permanently smiling in and they will take an SLK 55 and a C63 over a BMW or Porsche. And on another note what happened to the 'One man, one engine' slogan now that the SLC's AMG engine will not be built by hand? In which case that's another reason to stay where I am.

I just hope MB come up with something beyond the SLC43; after all I just as well go and buy an Audi or BMW if I want the perfect handling car, all wheel drive etc. At the end of the day its about choice, looking at the SLC it doesn't make me want to trade in my current model for the future.....just let at least.
I think this post absolutely nails the problem with the SLK55. It's all about the engine. A car has to be more than it's engine. The SLK55 is indeed mad. It's way too much power and weight in the nose to make a decent handling car.

The bottom line on the SLK55 is it's actually scary to drive it under certain circumstances. The Audi R8 makes 560bhp laughably easy to drive. The Audi RS6 has 605bhp and it wraps you in cotton wool while you boot it. The Nissan GTR transports you to a world where physics don't apply in corners and accelerates like a mad thing. These cars all have magnificent engines AND a magnificent chassis.

By making the engine smaller and lighter (and yes, a touch less powerful) they have made a car that is likely better balanced and better handling than the SLK55.

If you want a woofly dragster the SLK55 has few peers, but most people want a car that handles well as well as going FAST in a straight line.
 

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At the end of the day its about choice, looking at the SLC it doesn't make me want to trade in my current model for the future.....just let at least.
I'm fully satisfied with my current 250 power-wise, it suits my driving style & needs fine. I also am perfectly pleased with it's looks & to my eyes Mercedes have messed about with the 2017 model for no reason whatsoever. The angular re-shaping of the boot(trunk) moulding & unnecessary blobs & strips of chrome (or more likely shiny plastic) is entirely without reason apart from attempting a different look for the sake of it. More worrying is that Mercedes have stooped to attempting to appeal to the flash fashion conscious, (dare I suggest predominantly rich females)who are currently buy BMW. I thought Mercedes had a more superior intellectual approach to a cars looks.
Come 2016 early 2107 IF I want to change I will be seeking one of the last current models.
 

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There are other changes as well

"LED Intelligent Light System.
For optimum visibility on country roads and motorways, when cornering and on bends, the optional LED Intelligent Light System automatically adapts to all light and driving conditions. Adaptive Highbeam Assist Plus is also available for dazzle-free continuous high beam usage. When high beam is switched on, this system always makes the optimum headlamp range available. The driver can concentrate on the traffic and does not have to continually switch between low beam and high beam. He or she can leave the high-beam headlamps on at all times and use their full range without bothering or endangering other road users."

"DYNAMIC SELECT the vehicle characteristics can be adjusted instantly at the touch of a button, as the system modifies the engine, transmission, steering and suspension at the driver’s behest. The five modes – “Comfort”, “Sport”, “Sport+”, “Eco” and “Individual” are easy to select using the DYNAMIC SELECT button in the upper control panel on the dashboard console. Drivers who choose the Dynamic Handling package (optional extra), which features a 10 millimetre lower chassis, an adaptive damping system, direct steering and ESP® Dynamic Cornering Assist, can also use DYNAMIC SELECT to specify the damping force in “Comfort”, “Sport” and “Sport+” modes. Here the damping force at each individual wheel is automatically and continuously adapted to the current driving conditions. With the sports exhaust system the sound experience can be intensified as the acoustics can be adjusted via an integral exhaust flap in conjunction with the DYNAMIC SELECT transmission modes."

"If when opening or closing the roof the vehicle has to move off due to the traffic conditions, the process which was started when at a standstill can be continued up to 
a speed of approximately 40 km/h. Another new feature is the automatic boot separator (in conjunction with the optional extra vario-roof convenience feature or KEYLESS-GO): if the separator is in the upper position for increased boot capacity, it automatically moves down when the roof is opened.
If there is not enough space for this because the boot is full of luggage, the roof does not open and a message appears in the instrument cluster."


https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/me...er-cars/slc/the-new-slc-new-name-new-dynamic/
 

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IMO the current 55 is too much engine, too little everything else when compared to the competition.

Keep in mind folks, the 55 is a niche market within a niche market. If it was selling well (and by well I mean "relatively well". because overall SLK sales do not amount to much when you look at the rest of MBs product lines), MB would probably not have messed with the formula. But my suspicion is that the current 55 was such a poor seller that MB decided to shuffle the deck to position the new AMG squarely in the sights of the competition.
 

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I agree with you, but I wonder if it might be too little too late?

At present, the SLK, certainly the 55, does not have any competition outside the MX5 with the vario roof unless you count the Z4, which is a direct comparison regarding handling and luxury but lacks the vario roof.

I think this facelift is, as you say, getting ready for the competition when the SLC proper hits the road in a few years time. As it is widely expected to ditch the vario roof in favour of a soft top, then the fun will start as the direct competition will be the Boxster! Unless they do something radical (if that is, the vario roof is ditched) to the SLC, then between an SLC or a Boxster, as they stand, for me there would be no choice as to which one I'd take!

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the SLK55 - in fact I am a tad annoyed they dropped the V8 for the facelift as I had in mind to buy one of the last off the line, just because I will never find another affordable car as outrageous as a V8 SLK!
 
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