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I experienced same symptoms as OP.
Battery is of unknown age.
Battery compartment clean.
Fully charged battery with CTEK charger.
Car seems normal again but it has been only 3 weeks.

Iím carrying my emergency start battery in the trunk for now.

Sorry, I now this is of no help for troubleshooting your problem.


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It happened again! The car was not used for 7 days and the battery only had 2,6 volt. While removing the minus of the battery I had put an amperemeter still connected to the minus clamp and minus pole the and reading showed that there was 0,02 amp flowing. That is not much and it should not drain the battery in a week. I left the headlamp switch to ďoffĒ since the last incident. I have switched daylight light running to on in the menu so I always have my lights on when driving the car.

Does anyone also have this issue? Al was well for more then 7 months!
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I experienced same symptoms as OP.
Battery is of unknown age.
Battery compartment clean.
Fully charged battery with CTEK charger.
Car seems normal again but it has been only 3 weeks.

Iím carrying my emergency start battery in the trunk for now.

Sorry, I now this is of no help for troubleshooting your problem.
Did you measure the voltage? I have had cars drain a battery over time but never below 9 volt.
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Did you measure the voltage? I have had cars drain a battery over time but never below 9 volt.
Yes. Something around 3.2 volts. I donít remember the exact number because it was so low. The low reading is why Iím so surprised that charging was successful. I assumed the battery had developed an internal short and was junk.
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Sounds like the same issue indeed. So we have 3 people now with this randomly appearing issue. The optical ring (or CANBUS?) issue VII7 suggested sounds plausable. I donít have the original radio but have for example an Alpine CANBUS adapter. I too suspected the battery but I find it strange that in all my (previous) cars only the (new) battery in a SLK breaks down to a real low voltage. I too plan on bringing a charger (and jumper cables) to roadtrip because you can not rely on it to start in the morning.

The optical cables an the MOST ring in my car are pretty much out of use since I took out the comander unit, HK amplifier and telephone. There was navigation in the car but not with a DVD unit. Satelite radio was not present either. Did you do similar removals?
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Sounds like the same issue indeed. So we have 3 people now with this randomly appearing issue. The optical ring (or CANBUS?) issue VII7 suggested sounds plausable. I donít have the original radio but have for example an Alpine CANBUS adapter. I too suspected the battery but I find it strange that in all my (previous) cars only the (new) battery in a SLK breaks down to a real low voltage. I too plan on bringing a charger (and jumper cables) to roadtrip because you can not rely on it to start in the morning.

The optical cables an the MOST ring in my car are pretty much out of use since I took out the comander unit, HK amplifier and telephone. There was navigation in the car but not with a DVD unit. Satelite radio was not present either. Did you do similar removals?
Original COMAND system and radio
Factory iPod interface
parot Bluetooth cellphone interface
No factory phone
No sat radio

In other words, pretty stock equipment
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Sounds like the same issue indeed. So we have 3 people now with this randomly appearing issue. The optical ring (or CANBUS?) issue VII7 suggested sounds plausable. I donít have the original radio but have for example an Alpine CANBUS adapter. I too suspected the battery but I find it strange that in all my (previous) cars only the (new) battery in a SLK breaks down to a real low voltage. I too plan on bringing a charger (and jumper cables) to roadtrip because you can not rely on it to start in the morning.

The optical cables an the MOST ring in my car are pretty much out of use since I took out the comander unit, HK amplifier and telephone. There was navigation in the car but not with a DVD unit. Satelite radio was not present either. Did you do similar removals?
If you physically took out all that stuff then forget MOST as the cause. Nothing left of it, just not used fiber.
Btw, navigation, but no DVD in trunk? Probably not Comand but APS50 (small screen,navigation with arrows) then?
And what about the trunk light as possible cause. If that keeps burning for some reason (bad switch?) it will stay unnoticed until the battery is empty.
You could remove the bulb and see what happens. Hard to tackle this problem though as it only happens once or twice a year as it seems.
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Just a small question , with UK SLKs should we have a plastic trim cover above the battery area fixed to the bonnet inner? . I have one on the other side but not above the battery

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@ZeroZero Andy the short answer to your question is no. You should have a battery cover that diverts any water to the drain hole next to the battery. The rubber lip of the battery cover provides a seal around the underside of the air intake grill on the bonnet. There should be no cover attached to the underside of the bonnet above the battery cover as this would prevent air getting to the in car ventilation system. The cover on the drivers side attached to the underside of the bonnet is to divert water away from and protect your fuse box from water. Hope this makes sense.


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Just a small question , with UK SLKs should we have a plastic trim cover above the battery area fixed to the bonnet inner? . I have one on the other side but not above the battery

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What @MartinatMersea says.
Read this thread https://www.slkworld.com/slk-r171-ge...h-airflow.html . Especially post #6 .
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Cheers for the infor , It just looks like there is something missing when you open the bonnet , All the mounting hole are there .


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Cheers for the infor , It just looks like there is something missing when you open the bonnet , All the mounting hole are there .


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I had the same question. It looks like something is missing but this is how it shoul be
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If you physically took out all that stuff then forget MOST as the cause. Nothing left of it, just not used fiber.
Btw, navigation, but no DVD in trunk? Probably not Comand but APS50 (small screen,navigation with arrows) then?
And what about the trunk light as possible cause. If that keeps burning for some reason (bad switch?) it will stay unnoticed until the battery is empty.
You could remove the bulb and see what happens. Hard to tackle this problem though as it only happens once or twice a year as it seems.
Haha. Thatís typical Dutch frugality. Wondering if the light in the fridge is off when you close the door indeed hard to find it as a cause when it happens only twice a year. Doesnít the light in the trunk go off in 10 minutes or so even if the swich thinks the trunklid is still open ? Just like the interior lighting will go off after a while even if you leave the doors open?

I did have the tiny screen with a navigation CD in the unit itself. There might me a phone module in the trunk remaining (the N123/1 - Multiple Handset Interface (MHI)
). Also the GPS antenna (A2/23) in the interior mirror will still be present.
But the other hand: Member george_in_kg does not have these items and he has the same issue
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Haha. Thatís typical Dutch frugality. Wondering if the light in the fridge is off when you close the door indeed hard to find it as a cause when it happens only twice a year. Doesnít the light in the trunk go off in 10 minutes or so even if the swich thinks the trunklid is still open ? Just like the interior lighting will go off after a while even if you leave the doors open?

I did have the tiny screen with a navigation CD in the unit itself. There might me a phone module in the trunk remaining (the N123/1 - Multiple Handset Interface (MHI)
). Also the GPS antenna (A2/23) in the interior mirror will still be present.
But the other hand: Member george_in_kg does not have these items and he has the same issue

GPS antenna is a passive device afaik, so that won't draw any power. Phone module might, allthough it is activated by the AGW.Activation is a combination of electrical signals through the wake-up line and a series of light pulses through the fiber. But as you removed the AGW, if I understand you correct, this can not happen. Theoretically.
10 minute timer slipped my mind. You're right there. It should go out after that time. Theoretically.
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I read in another post:

Having the wheel cranked to full lock (either way) apparently makes an electrical connection that can bleed the battery flat.

I park my car in the garage with the wheels in the normal position so it it not the cause in this case. But I thought I mention it here to tick all the boxes in this topic.
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It happened again! The car was not used for 4 days and the battery only had 2,8 volt. Before that the car was not used for a week and started fine. Al was well for almost 3 months!

It looks like the is an unreliable component in the electrical system which randomly uses a lot of current which drains the battery fast but also stops at a certain moment.

The battery is less than a year old, no alarm, automatic headlight switch is on ď0Ē always.

Mayby just replace the battery?
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New batteries might come sold as new when they are sitting for a while on the shelf
what was date stamped on your 'new battery'?


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Obviously 1 or more power consumers are at random intervals still active after shutting down the car. Could be some CANbus connected device. Hard to say. But as the MHI interface is of no use anymore I would start be completely removing this item. But solving this will be try-and-error I'm afraid. As it occurs only every few months or so, as I understand it, no much use in measuring idle current of all circuits the after you shut down the car.
Can't imagine you're willing to do that for a few months in a row.
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Interesting but frustrating problem. It could still be a faulty battery with an intermittent internal short. In my experience I've found that most of the electronics in modern cars don't tolerate low voltage very well; best to disconnect the battery for 30 minutes to reset everything.


Can you leave a current meter on the car when you park it for a few days and check it every day? If you get a battery failure with no high current then it very well could be a battery.
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Obviously 1 or more power consumers are at random intervals still active after shutting down the car. Could be some CANbus connected device. Hard to say. But as the MHI interface is of no use anymore I would start be completely removing this item. But solving this will be try-and-error I'm afraid. As it occurs only every few months or so, as I understand it, no much use in measuring idle current of all circuits the after you shut down the car.
Can't imagine you're willing to do that for a few months in a row.
Taking out some more CANBUS stuff I donít use might be a smart thing. I will look in to that. I also added an Alpine APF-D200MB CANBUS interface. They are suposed to be on the constant plus of the battery to be standby as soon as you open the doors. However people with no modifications have had this random very dead battery issue also.

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Interesting but frustrating problem. It could still be a faulty battery with an intermittent internal short. In my experience I've found that most of the electronics in modern cars don't tolerate low voltage very well; best to disconnect the battery for 30 minutes to reset everything.


Can you leave a current meter on the car when you park it for a few days and check it every day? If you get a battery failure with no high current then it very well could be a battery.
Thatís what you want. And then maybe check the voltage drop over fuses and take it from there. Putting an ampere meter in the circuit is quite a job each time I put it in the garage. I kind of hope somebody with the same problem found the cause
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Obviously 1 or more power consumers are at random intervals still active after shutting down the car. Could be some CANbus connected device. Hard to say. But as the MHI interface is of no use anymore I would start be completely removing this item. But solving this will be try-and-error I'm afraid. As it occurs only every few months or so, as I understand it, no much use in measuring idle current of all circuits the after you shut down the car.
Can't imagine you're willing to do that for a few months in a row.

If it only charges to 80% you either have a dead cell or the charger is not working. Have the battery load tested.


Just type in" 12 volt battery voltage chart" in google and you will get a chart so you will know the state of the battery for voltage. If you have a weak battery, you are just chasing a ghost . You have to start out with something good and go from there.
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