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The Future of Diesel SLKs?

I've had my 250CDI for almost 2 years now, but with my company already starting to waive the financial benefits of driving diesel over petrol, the once semi-sensible compromise of having a pretty car, with lots of torque but returning 50+MPG seems to be dwindling (for me anyway...) Indeed when I looked at the costs of a like for like replacement, the dramatic increase in leasing costs and the similar reductions in guaranteed future values offered by MBFS for PCP agreements signalled to me that the future market for these cars was much riskier than it was when I was shopping 2 years ago. To that end, it's replacement will be petrol (and after much deliberation, not a Mercedes either... but I'm still excited about the new toy.)

I've always been a petrol head so moving to the black pump for my last purchase was a little out of sorts. If I'm honest, I've loved the looks of the SLK and the torque has been ideal. But the perpetual fly in the ointment was the noise. My friends call it 'the sexy tractor' which while thier opinions don't bother me, kind of sums up my repressed feelings towards the car anyway - It's been difficult to fall for the SLK as a result of the noise. This was really polarised a few months back when I had to add more milage to the insurance policy of my 20 year old BMW 328i as I'd been using it much more than usual - mainly because I enjoy the noise it makes.

My question is, with the future of diesel in the UK looking a little questionable at the moment, are other 250CDI/250d drivers thinking about a change of fuel type for their next car?

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I replaced my 2yr old SLK250 CDi for the self same reason (It didn't sound like it looked).

It was on a 3yr lease, which was good value for me as the residual price was greatly over exaggerated by MB, hence lower monthly payments. It was supposed to be worth 20K at the end of the lease in Sept this year but the trace in price I was offered in Sept last year was only 17K, private sale maybe 19K if I was lucky.

So I early terminated, at cost to me, and bought a 2015 SLK55. Now I may have to increase the annual mileage on the insurance policy as I can't stop driving it.

I bought it purely for the sound but hadn't realised how different it would be to drive compared to the 250CDi, chalk and cheese.
Yes, 25mpg average instead of 45 but, as the saying goes, it's "smiles per gallon" not "miles per gallon" with a 55!
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I've had my 250CDI for almost 2 years now, but with my company already starting to waive the financial benefits of driving diesel over petrol, the once semi-sensible compromise of having a pretty car, with lots of torque but returning 50+MPG seems to be dwindling (for me anyway...) Indeed when I looked at the costs of a like for like replacement, the dramatic increase in leasing costs and the similar reductions in guaranteed future values offered by MBFS for PCP agreements signalled to me that the future market for these cars was much riskier than it was when I was shopping 2 years ago. To that end, it's replacement will be petrol (and after much deliberation, not a Mercedes either... but I'm still excited about the new toy.)

I've always been a petrol head so moving to the black pump for my last purchase was a little out of sorts. If I'm honest, I've loved the looks of the SLK and the torque has been ideal. But the perpetual fly in the ointment was the noise. My friends call it 'the sexy tractor' which while thier opinions don't bother me, kind of sums up my repressed feelings towards the car anyway - It's been difficult to fall for the SLK as a result of the noise. This was really polarised a few months back when I had to add more milage to the insurance policy of my 20 year old BMW 328i as I'd been using it much more than usual - mainly because I enjoy the noise it makes.

My question is, with the future of diesel in the UK looking a little questionable at the moment, are other 250CDI/250d drivers thinking about a change of fuel type for their next car?
Well if the word Dirty Diesel is banded around more and more and enviromental groups use that word etc
The govt may put a dirty huge dirty tax on the fuel

Just as they so can easily
And may start a roll ball effect on the slow demise of diesel car purchase ?
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Well if the word Dirty Diesel is banded around more and more and enviromental groups use that word etc
The govt may put a dirty huge dirty tax on the fuel

Just as they so can easily
And may start a roll ball effect on the slow demise of diesel car purchase ?
There is absolutely nothing dirty about an EU6 diesel. They are cleaner than the current petrols, but the hysteria surrounding diesel is such at the moment that no-one wants to hear that. The next generation of emissions standards for petrols will also require them to have particulate filters because only new petrols smoke now. Check out the tail pipe of any performance car and they are all dirty. In comparison the tail pipes of diesels are clean as a whistle because of the dpf.

But, to respond to the original poster, yes, I am replacing my CDi250 with a petrol simply because the writing seems to be on the wall for diesels and the only petrol SLC that drives like a diesel is the SLC 43 with 520Nm torque so that's what I'm getting next.

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It may make zero difference in the UK.


Remember the rush to diesel? Pushed by the establishment.


Now the rush to petrol.


Remember LPG at 15p/litre?
I think it's at 65p/litre now.


Fuel and transport is easy to tax.
Regardless of choice we will all be paying more.
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It's an interesting one - a couple of people have said on here that being used to the torque, they're replacing their derv with a higher powered petrol car in order to get the same grunt. I fit into that camp too. It was either a C43 Cabrio of a BMW M240i cabrio for me. The BMW won out in the end but in essence, I'm going from a 50-60 MPG car to one that returns 25-35 MPG. Maybe economy isn't the reason many people buy diesel as seems to be the impression.

The benefits case for scrapping diesel has been centered around the complexity of keeping them clean versus the speed of advances being made in electric drive. I can see where they're coming from. I genuinely think someone will have invented a way of getting 500+ miles out of an electric car faster than someone finds a simpler, lower maintanance method of cleaning diesel exhausts that doesn't include AdBlue and all kinds of filtration.

Could be interesting times ahead.
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The most informed avenue for you to seek your answer is to monitor the increasing regular media reports on the subject. For more learned information seek out motor industry current sales results & expected future sales of diesels. You surely cannot be unaware of how our city fathers are blathering about high pollutants from diesels & the effect of the populations health. To wails of indignation.I prophesied the death of the diesel long ago & I'm soon to be proved right you see.
It is also interesting that for the first time since the Derv SLK was launched I visited a MD dealer today to find only new petrol SLC's, sadly only boggo basic 200 models with no options. not even metallic paint. My they looked pricey for what little you get.
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It's an interesting one - a couple of people have said on here that being used to the torque, they're replacing their derv with a higher powered petrol car in order to get the same grunt. I fit into that camp too. It was either a C43 Cabrio of a BMW M240i cabrio for me. The BMW won out in the end but in essence, I'm going from a 50-60 MPG car to one that returns 25-35 MPG. Maybe economy isn't the reason many people buy diesel as seems to be the impression.

The benefits case for scrapping diesel has been centered around the complexity of keeping them clean versus the speed of advances being made in electric drive. I can see where they're coming from. I genuinely think someone will have invented a way of getting 500+ miles out of an electric car faster than someone finds a simpler, lower maintanance method of cleaning diesel exhausts that doesn't include AdBlue and all kinds of filtration.

Could be interesting times ahead.
Oh battery tech is coming on leaps and bounds and its still early tech for cars
So wont be long with Graphene tech and adding solar tech on cars to top up while parked up (albeit a trickle charge )
With diesel gate going on motor industry will look at squeezing a bit more miles out of electric cars and wont be long 500 miles will be reached .
Keep an eye out for Tesla
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Oh battery tech is coming on leaps and bounds and its still early tech for cars
So wont be long with Graphene tech and adding solar tech on cars to top up while parked up (albeit a trickle charge )
With diesel gate going on motor industry will look at squeezing a bit more miles out of electric cars and wont be long 500 miles will be reached .
Keep an eye out for Tesla
Teslagate is coming. So far they are just about keeping the lid on the quality and range issues, but when the new lower priced car comes in, and it starts to suffer from software issues in the numbers the current cars are, there will be trouble.
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Teslagate is coming. So far they are just about keeping the lid on the quality and range issues, but when the new lower priced car comes in, and it starts to suffer from software issues in the numbers the current cars are, there will be trouble.
There are a few Tesla going around my way and one parks at my works and looks nice to .
But look at the new slk 172 they are plagued with issues and leave it to the public to report ( latest one E Class 2017 fire issues )

Yes tesla will have issues just like all new tech
The newer lower price range tesla will sell bucket loads provided not to many issues plague it
And as long as it dont catch fire ( samsung phone . )
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We were just in Hong Kong and the number of Teslas running around there was truly amazing. The hotel even picked us up at the airport in a Tesla. I suppose range in Hong Kong isn't a problem.
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There are a few Tesla going around my way and one parks at my works and looks nice to .
But look at the new slk 172 they are plagued with issues and leave it to the public to report ( latest one E Class 2017 fire issues )

Yes tesla will have issues just like all new tech
The newer lower price range tesla will sell bucket loads provided not to many issues plague it
And as long as it dont catch fire ( samsung phone . )
A Tesla is a big Android computer. When your tablet crashes you reboot it. People are having to reboot their Teslas at 70mph on motorways because they crash. There is huge positivity surrounding Tesla - look at how the various deaths by driverless car are being treated but ultimately this is first generation technology loose on the streets. And these are not reliable cars.

You say you've seen one parking close to your place of work. If that's the limit of your experience with Tesla then you need to do a LOT more research.

As for R172's being plagued with issues I absolutely call "Fake News" - exactly what plague of issues? There is a problem with Fire Opal Red paint. And what else exactly? Please supply a list with the proportion of cars affected because I'm just not seeing this plague of issues. And what exactly is a problem with E-class fires to do with the R172 SLK? Nothing. Or maybe R172's cause fires in new E-class's? I've not heard of it. But it seems that there are people who love to come on these forums and moan. Largely about nothing. What has gone wrong with YOUR SLK this week/month/year? I bet it's not even red.
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I don't have a 172 but I do read pretty much every thread on here.


Not an awful lot gone wrong from what I've seen.


Some roof delamination which should no longer be an issue.
And the well documented SLK issue that seems to hit the UK worst. Red paint bubbling.
After that, there is the odd issue but nothing across the range.
Just the occasional blip.


Reliability and mechanically I'd have no worry recommending them.


Tesla and the others are new tech.
New tech has become customary for the public to prove.
That same public has a heck of a time getting the manufacturer to put it right.


They don't learn.
Cough to a mistake, correct it and it's a smudge on reputation.
Deny, deny, deny.
Get caught out in court.
Only bad reputation remains.


Salesmanship has been well done for the new tech.
We are not digging up half the planet to source materials.
We are not reactivating coal/oil fired power stations to meet electric needs.
And we don't leave a carbon footprint.
Dishonesty is a reliable as fake news.
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I've had my CDi for just over a year. My choice of a diesel was a deliberate one - I expect to own this car for the forseeable future, even possibly into my (shock horror at even uttering the word) retirement. At the moment it is a daily driver, doing my commute to work and doubling up as a weekend fun-car when needed.

In the future, I expect that once I have retired (that damn word again), my mileage will go down and I will need a car which is relatively cheap to run, tax and insure - and the car meets all of these requirements very well (for the moment, until the government start changing things).

I'm old enough to have been around when a different government was extolling the virtues of diesel over petrol - and I am well aware that governments in the EU have consistently taxed diesel much much less than petrol. Taking France as an example, diesel prices are about 60% of the price of petrol, in some places even less. That was always the case, and it encouraged the population to go down the diesel route.

I am always wary when the government propaganda machine starts to vilify anything - the usual reason is because it allows the government to increase taxes on that item, and so it is now with diesel.

Pretty soon having a diesel car (of whatever vintage) will be a bit like being a smoker...something frowned upon by polite society and taxed heavily.

Now I am not, nor have I ever been, a smoker. But even I can see that some of the awful things attributed to smoking have been over egged - yes smoking is bad for you, and bad for those around you, which is the two main arguments put forward by government. They are less forthcoming about how much revenue is now being raised by taxing cigarettes and how, if everyone stopped smoking, the government would have to raise the revenue some other way, even though the savings to the NHS may be considerable.

I'm guessing that the current waive of anti-diesel sentiment will be cited as a reason to raise taxes on diesels - but once people stop buying them, that revenue will ave to be replaced somehow. It is, of course,

I saw a report recently saying the success of zero-tax and low-tax bandings on electric and low-emission vehicles is beginning to hurt the Exchequer, and that the DVLA is looking at other ways to maintain their revenue. Cue rises in diesel taxation, and many other taxes. Of course, the one thing that government never considers, and that is to Spend Less.

Personally, I think that hydrogen-cell cars are the way to go. sadly, the technology is not there yet. I believe that those with a vested interest in electric/hybrid cars will prevent any real advancement until they have recouped their research and development costs and made huge profits. Then we will see the propaganda machine turn against them and so the cycle goes on.



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In the future, I expect that once I have retired (that damn word again), my mileage will go down and I will need a car which is relatively cheap to run, tax and insure - and the car meets all of these requirements very well (for the moment, until the government start changing things).



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I replaced my 2yr old SLK250 CDi for the self same reason (It didn't sound like it looked).

It was on a 3yr lease, which was good value for me as the residual price was greatly over exaggerated by MB, hence lower monthly payments. It was supposed to be worth 20K at the end of the lease in Sept this year but the trace in price I was offered in Sept last year was only 17K, private sale maybe 19K if I was lucky.

So I early terminated, at cost to me, and bought a 2015 SLK55. Now I may have to increase the annual mileage on the insurance policy as I can't stop driving it.

I bought it purely for the sound but hadn't realised how different it would be to drive compared to the 250CDi, chalk and cheese.
Yes, 25mpg average instead of 45 but, as the saying goes, it's "smiles per gallon" not "miles per gallon" with a 55!
Thats what I did last June, swapped my 2yr old SLK250CDi for a 2016 SLK55 and whilst I loved the CDi, the 55 is pure GrinFactor, I just love EVERYTHING about it. The noise and acceleration is so addictive, but in the package I want. Its personal, but I prefer the drive, gearing and the 7k rpm limit of the petrol. Did look at the SLC43, and whilst thats a very capable car, my preference was the V8.

My Wife drives a Touareg 3.0l diesel, and whilst we both love the drive and performance, we're already talking of downsizing next to maybe a GLC43, so switching to petrol for the Family car, but thats not for another 2-3yrs.

The Government pushed the UK to diesel many years ago, business and private owners, due to economy and tax benefits, now they're doing a massive u-turn from next month. Large increases on the way for both petrol and especially diesel cars, with even more tax for new cars over 40k. Just another way of getting more revenue, as is new fines for speeding (salary linked) and mobile phones (do agree with safety aspect of this).
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The Government pushed the UK to diesel many years ago, business and private owners, due to economy and tax benefits, now they're doing a massive u-turn from next month. Large increases on the way for both petrol and especially diesel cars, with even more tax for new cars over 40k. Just another way of getting more revenue, as is new fines for speeding (salary linked) and mobile phones (do agree with safety aspect of this).
That's exactly my point - it isn't about the pros and cons or about the cleanliness or otherwise of diesels versus petrol cars, it is all about raising revenue. First rule of any bureaucracy = increase the bureaucracy. Tell them anything, anything at all , we can always get some scientist or survey to back it with 'facts', just make sure you increase the revenue.

Of course, individuals will always do what is best for them. Increase the tax on cars over 40K? OK, buy cars that cost less. If you must buy a car that costs more, flaunt how rich you are. Of course, how many private individuals buy cars costing that much? My guess is very few. Most such cars are company (or leasing company owned) - the end result is that the individual pays more tax on this benefit. Companies that buy these cars generally pass the cost of doing so onto their end-customer, who picks up that tab too.

Don't get me started!!

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Don't start me. I would go major attack on the folk.
Not all state sponsored scientists are jerks.
Many are really scientists.
I don't think anyone is accusing state sponsored scientists of being jerks. It's the jerks who take the scientific reports and twist them into what they think people want to hear and then exploit the reaction that's being attacked I think.

Whichever side of the Climate Change debate you are on there are peer-reviewed scientific articles that support the argument. What I personally object to is organisations like the BBC that took a conscious decision only to report the pro-Climate Change stories driven by well-meaning 'green' editors like Roger Harrabin. It basically means that a publically funded body is promoting that agenda.

Like pretty much everyone else in the world I have my suspicions that something is happening but I don't know why or what is causing it. There are many, many, possibilities. What I do know is that I'm having to pay more for everything because it might or might not help in some undisclosed way in the future. Maybe.

In the meantime, I intend to be as green as possible while driving a 5.5l V8 and a 2.1l diesel
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