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Smart motorways to be reviewed over driver safety fears

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Smart motorways are to be reviewed following concerns over driver safety, the transport secretary has said.
Grant Shapps told MPs: "We know people are dying on smart motorways".
He said recommendations are expected "in a matter of weeks" to ensure all motorways are "as safe as they possibly can be".
Earlier this week, Highways England boss Jim O'Sullivan warned "dynamic" smart motorways are "too complicated" for drivers.
Mr O'Sullivan said he did not think he would build any more dynamic smart motorways because too many motorists do not understand them.

There are two types of smart motorway in the UK: The first is where the hard shoulder is opened to traffic when it is busy, and the second is where the hard shoulder is open all the time.
They already account for about 400 miles of England's roads, including sections of major motorways like the M1, M6, and M62.
They were created to ease congestion, using computers to monitor the roads and change speed limits.
Critics have called for smart motorways to be scrapped over safety concerns and several deaths.
Eight-year-old Dev Naran was killed on the M6 last May when a lorry struck his grandfather's Toyota while it was pulled up on the hard shoulder, which was in use.

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What a muppet.

So, no more one way systems, bus lanes, no entry, speed limits?
Drivers clearly do not understand them as they do not obey them.

Bull sprinkles.

Having no hard shoulder on a 4 lane motorway is nuts.
No where to go if you break down, or have a bump.

You want smarter, safer motorways?
Easy.
Forget speed limits.
Punish tailgaters, mobile users, book readers.
Enforce the 2 second gap.
Place signage to the right of the outside lane, not left of the slow lane.
(less likely to be hidden by high sided vehicles).

And the most radical ideas?
Fix potholes.
Unlock coned off lanes if work is not going on, or lift the 50 restriction.
Teach lane filtering during driving lessons.
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All that stuff....
Sounds a bit too much like common sense and joined up thinking to catch on
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As long as the motoring public is getting dumber smart Motorways will not fix the problem.
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Can't see how using the refuge area for traffic on any highway is safe at any time, let alone when there is heavier traffic.
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Can't see how using the refuge area for traffic on any highway is safe at any time, let alone when there is heavier traffic.
True, but a refuge, or better still, hard shoulder is safer than a live lane.

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True, but a refuge, or better still, hard shoulder is safer than a live lane.
That's my point - as soon as traffic is allowed onto the hard shoulder it becomes a live lane. And, with the increasing miles of motorway with concrete barrier walls, in the event of any emergency or breakdown, it becomes impossible to get out of the live lanes.
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Yep.
I had to limp 2 miles to services when I got hit in the 4 narrow lane section of M'way.

Passed a refuge/SOS spot. It was just not safe to pull into it.
I'd never have got out again.

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Smart motorways allow:-



Three trucks to overtake each other at 50, 51, and 52mph


lane hoggers the option to block 3/4 of the motorway instad of just 2/3 of the motorway


much greater options for undertaking at high speed (not allowed in the UK )


lane weavers greater versatility and more lanes to weave in and out of (only to end up behind you again )


Options to close more lanes for no apparent reason during rush hour. [X] [X] [X] [ ]


Easier to warn you of "Debris in Road", "Pedestrians in road" despite never seing either!


Much wider traffic jams


Revenue income stream for local authority (camera enforcement of 70mph, then 40 mph, then 50mph, then 40mph all in the space of 1 mile)


More lanes to cut across when you are about to miss your junction




I think they are a GREAT idea
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The 4 lane part of the M25 is a case in point. At times there is the car or line of cars in the 3rd lane travelling at 60mph (speed limit 70)and no other traffic. Now if travelling in lane 1 to be legal it means crossing over to lane 4 to overtake or take the illegal route of overtaking in lane 1.

Perhaps, the colloquial term for lane 1 as 'the slow lane' is interpreted by some as being the cissy lane and only for people doing 50mph.

Hogging other lanes is illegal but from figures I have seen there have been very few prosecutions for it.

As for lorry drivers I understand that, particularly supermarkets, they have a time slot to deliver. If they miss the slot they will either be made to wait for a length of time, which can be quite considerable or turned away. With all the delays that can happen in a journey then perhaps they will want to overtake other traffic even if they are only going slightly faster.
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The 4 lane part of the M25 is a case in point. At times there is the car or line of cars in the 3rd lane travelling at 60mph (speed limit 70)and no other traffic. Now if travelling in lane 1 to be legal it means crossing over to lane 4 to overtake or take the illegal route of overtaking in lane 1.

Perhaps, the colloquial term for lane 1 as 'the slow lane' is interpreted by some as being the cissy lane and only for people doing 50mph.

Hogging other lanes is illegal but from figures I have seen there have been very few prosecutions for it.

As for lorry drivers I understand that, particularly supermarkets, they have a time slot to deliver. If they miss the slot they will either be made to wait for a length of time, which can be quite considerable or turned away. With all the delays that can happen in a journey then perhaps they will want to overtake other traffic even if they are only going slightly faster.
Recently experienced the 25. And A12.

The amount of under taking, into middle, then fast, to return to undertake was, ahem 'impressive'.

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My understanding is that undertaking is not illegal as long as you haven’t changed lanes prior to carrying out the manoeuvre. I must admit I do it quite frequently where it is safe to do so, especially on four lane motorways where the slower traffic is not in the adjacent lane.
The RAC seems to confirm this
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/legal/undertaking/
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