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Mercedes-AMG V12 Engine On Its Deathbed

And the V8 lives on, although with a little bit of an electric assistance.
The Mercedes-AMG V12 engine is a force to be reckoned with. Six liters, two turbochargers, 621 horses, and 738 pound-feet of torque – all of these point to one thing: a legendary engine in a road-going car. However, as AMG chief Tobias Moers mentioned earlier this year, the monstrous V12 engine is now on its deathbed for the Mercedes-AMG brand. It's one thing to hear it before, but it hurts just the same to receive the unaltered truth from the same person. Talk about consistency.

Speaking to Australia's GoAuto at the Paris Motor Show, where the brand showcased its A35 pocket rocket, Moers reconfirms his initial statement in April regarding the life of the bonkers V12 engine. Interestingly, it looks like the S65 nameplate will go with the V12's demise.

“So we are going to move the S65 out of our portfolio,” said Moers.

What Moers is looking forward to, however, is the birth of a hybrid V8 to extend the life of the twin-turbo engine. The AMG chief told the Australian motoring site that hybrid technology is currently being developed to increase the efficiency and performance of 4.0-liter V8 in new AMG models.

Moers also sees the V8 as an efficient power plant. He pointed out that the brand has already downsized the then-6.3L V8 to 5.5L to now 4.0L to make do with fuel efficiency and emission requirements.

“In combination with an electrified powertrain, it could be a longer lifecycle than what everybody thinks,” he added.

With this plan intact, it looks like Mercedes-AMG will stick to its V8 further down the road, along with some assistance from an electrified powertrain. It would only take a matter of time before we hear AMG sedans, SUVs, and sports cars fitted with this newly-developed tech.

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https://www.motor1.com/news/238490/m...2-engine-ends/

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Life in Mercedes-AMG’s beefy V8 yet as hybrid technology comes to rescue

By RON HAMMERTON in PARIS

RATHER than killing the V8 engine as many people predict, electrification is extending its life, according to Mercedes-AMG chairman Tobias Moers.



Speaking at the Paris motor show where the German high-performance car brand is showing off its new entry-level model, the A35 AMG, Mr Moers told GoAuto that hybrid technology now being developed would increase both the efficiency and performance of AMG’s 4.0-litre bi-turbo V8 in new AMG models.



Mr Moers confirmed that the Mercedes-AMG 6.0-litre V12 is on death row, saying the engine would go out of production after the current lifecycle of the S65.



“So we are going to move the S65 out of our portfolio,” he said.



But he said the V8 continued to figure in AMG’s plans for the foreseeable future.



“The V8 is a pretty efficient engine,” Mr Moers said, adding that AMG had already downsized its V8s from 6.3 litres to 5.5 litres and now 4.0 litres to meet fuel efficiency and emissions demands over the past several years.



“In combination with an electrified powertrain, it could be a longer lifecycle than what everybody thinks.”



As GoAuto has reported, the V8 will figure in a ballistic plug-in hybrid AMG GT 4-Door flagship that could have as much as 600kW of power.



The plan is to hook up the top-shelf 470kW V8 with electric motors producing more than 100kW. The result should be a car that can commute on electricity and then smoke many supercars on track days.



Asked if he could see a time when the V8 would have to be retired, Mr Moers said he did not know when that would be.



“Nobody in the industry is able to predict the V8 engine ends, say, in 2028 – that’s impossible,” he said. “It is all about how clever are you as a company, to put the money in. And it should not be a bet – it should be a well-prepared strategy.”



But Mr Moers said it was getting harder to produce a long-term strategy because of rapid developments in technology, customer demands and other factors such as regulations.



“I am not so confident with having a 10-year plan and strategy because the world we live in is too fast,” he said. “So you have to adjust your strategy and your targets almost every year – half a year.



“So it is okay to see the next five years, but things happen that have an impact in four years. So you have to adjust the strategy every day.”



Mr Moers said the 4.0-litre V8 that does duty in a range of tunes across a wide spread of AMG models, including sedans, SUVs and sportscars, was still young, so there were no plans to replace it.



He said AMG’s current strategy on electrification was to develop hybrids across its range, with some of them using Formula One technology trickling down from the new AMG One hypercar that mixes a Mercedes F1 1.5-litre V6 with high-performance electric motors managed by sophisticated software.



But he conceded that ultimately AMG would develop all-electric cars because “otherwise there will not be an AMG”.



Those cars will be entirely developed by AMG as performance vehicles because AMG’s parent company, Mercedes-Benz, is focusing on range and efficiency, not high performance.



Mr Moers pointed to AMG’s ground-up development of the two-door GT sports coupe as an example of AMG’s ability to produce its own high-performance platforms in future.

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