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So I use my tablet (wifi) for most all my internet stuff but if it's a big job (photo edit, etc) I boot up my "big machine".

Built it about 5 yr ago but about 3 yr ago I had to upgrade the SDD I used for my OS (HDD is solely for programs, storage, etc). to a bigger SSD (those windows updates just suck up so much room it's a PITA).

Well, I go to boot up the big boy this a.m. and whoa: it won't boot. Tells me to insert os disk or change the boot order.

HUH? Never ever had this problem before. OK, easy fix . For some reason the MBR must have been corrupted. Fix it/get the good word.

Boot up-->same error message (load OS etc).

Hmmm. Maybe a bug but seeing as it worked last time and I haven't done anything since, well who knows.

Try to access my backup (offline HDD) where I store my image backup. Well, dang it no USB connections so I can't access my images.

Try windows repair disk options (there are 2-3 that may be applicable) but again, it asks for it's own files.

Go into BIOS and geez, the SSD is not even listed now. Unless someone broke into the house last night, opened the computer and stole my SSD: not likely.

Each time I try, it's only a warm boot that I do.

Well, I'm really puzzled. Go online to look at other sites while describing my issue. Do a cold boot says one.

Well, I've been doing warm boots only but hey, it's a no brainer to try.

After all, the primary fix on this SLK site is to either do a batttery reset or get a new battery.

Simple.

So's I do the cold boot and damn, IT WORKED!

Moral: before trying to fix a (boot) problem the hard way (software repair, reinstall, etc). turn the damn machine OFF, wait a few minutes and try again.

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MBR-master boot record
SSD--solid state drive
HHD-hard disk drive
BIOS-Basic Input/output system (resides on mobo, not part of the OS)
mobo-motherboard
OS-operating system (windows, iOS, linux, etc)
warm boot-pressing the "reset" button while the computer is still running
cold boot-what you do when you start your computer by pressing the power button.

I hope you find this useful and that it saves you a few bucks down the road.

I should also mention why this happened: computers are strange beasts and something software-wise tried to run/execute a command before another command had a chance to run or complete.

Nothing you did would (normally) cause this. It's the machine's fault
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Well Jeff, you know the old story:

Give a man a fish etc etc
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True...but I wanted to give you that 1st fish
Maybe I should have. Didn't fix the problem.

I was doing some housekeeping that required a re-boot. Get the same error message. Tried to turn it off.. Couldn't. Just kept doing a warm boot. Had to "pull the plug".

I have no time to research this now as I'm off to a wedding.

Ideas? (back tomorrow).
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power button to turn off
then of course a cold boot
then system restore

what os or did i miss that?


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power button is inoperative in that it won't shut down (it acts like a "dumb key" when the unit tells me to insert the media (os) disk and press a key). just pulled the plug to turn it off. not normally a good idea but as nothing loaded, not a problem

win 7 home prem

cold boot didn't have time to do that again--which worked the first time

system restore assume you meant that after a successful cold boot

Talking with a 'puter friend at the wedding, he suggested possible pin oxidization of the SSD may cause this sort of intermittent boot/no boot. Solution proposed was just to insert/unplug connector from the SSD/mobo several times to try to scrape away any oxidiation. Oxidation will usually occur with poor connections, heat etc but usually only with cheaper components.

The only "cheap" component I see is the cord itself.

Unit has discharged overnight so the plug/unplug is what I'll try this a.m. before attempting a cold boot. I use a strap but it's always nice to work on a discharged system.

I don't think sys restore will do anything as after that first cold boot, it worked normally. A few pups showed up in my housecleaning and were deleted but were nothing that appeared to be of any significance upon review before deletion.

I'll advise later today.
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No joy on plug/unplug connectors. AND now it won't even open up the sys repair disk NOR the win 7 original install disk.

Reason?

I'm going to plug in my original (small) SSD that I cloned from (3 yr ago) and see what happens. As luck would have it, I can't find my static strap so i'll wait a bit then ground myself and do the swap.

Unless you have other ideas?
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I've used slax with great success to remove data off a bad harddrive


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Plugged the old (good last time I used it for the clone) SSD in. Same error message (load or change boot drive).

I don't have a spare data/power cord to try. If i did, it's probably hiding with my static band

And I now have no way to load slax on a thumb drive as my only USB is on this non functional computer.

Even if I did (and I might), how would this help in my non-start?
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make a slax disc somehow and put it in cd /dvd slot
follow slax instructions to copy to another backup harddrive
from 'dead' harddrive that hopefully slax detects with linux


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While you're about it @LeonardoDaBenz look at the warranty of your SSD and also check if there is a firmware upgrade available for it. If the manufacturer of the SSD has some software to check/monitor the SSD get that installed and run it when you get the system operational. That should tell you if there is an underlying problem with the SSD itself. I've known SSDs to fail - one catastrophically for the person concerned - and I've had one die when the laptop went to sleep due to a firmware fault. The disk even vanished from the BIOS listing which was a bit of a surprise!!

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well if it is not in bios and bios has been updated and it was there before but not now.....doa
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Not quite. I had written a blog post about adding an SSD to an old Dell laptop and this happened two months after upgrading. If you read the article, skip past the photos to the Addendum. There was a fix! Two years later and all is still well.

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I will read the addendum but:

i'm using android tablet for skype: I signed out and then signed in (automatically as it's "remembered") as

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no dots, no dashes, no underscores. just a space.

to the issue:

In bios: as I said, I disconnected the SSD (newer that won't connect) and reconected the old SSD that works. Then boot into bios and:

i can see the old (good) ssd in the main as sata 1 (where OS is) and my hdd (files, etc) as sata 3
But when I go to boot device priority, the hdd shows as 1st boot (disabled but then it doesn't hold the OS) and the ssd does not appear at all (ignore optical)
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Ok. Talked to him and confirmed I've done the right steps to adjust boot order. Got the old SSD working again (minus a bazillion updates.) and going to try to read the messed up SSD in an external docking station.

Till tomorrow then (5 hr time diff there).
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