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Cross Winds

I remember landing in El Paso, Texas one spring afternoon. It was so windy I thought the wing tip would hit the runway. This video reminded me of that.



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I remember a flight to Amsterdam on a stormy day. We landed on one wheel, it was just a horror. A kid and his mother sitting next to me - the kid was spying the whole flight and his mother had a green colored face.
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The only wind experience I had was once coming into Toronto. We were coming in for a landing just as a cold front was hitting there. As we crossed the edge, it felt like we dropped 50 or 100 feet all at once. Not a nice feeling.
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WOW, that's some serious flying. The U.S. Air Force B-52 has a system called "cross wind crab". It allows the actual landing gear to move right or left, allowing the aircraft to land with the gear parallel to the runway and the aircraft at an angle.

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Yeah that is what I was wondering about, the mechanics on those wheels at those angles. That ought to be really something...
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Good reason to fly helicopters. Just land into the wind to a hover. While flyin 74's years ago, landed at Tinarif(Sp) with 60kt crosswind, gave me a chance to demonstrate my piloting skills,,,we were hauling containers so no one but the Captain and FE graded my performance. The steady state winds are not bad but add 30 kt gust spread and things get interesting.
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I've seen those before...still amazes me!

Its a cool experience to be on final with a very noticeable crab and then straighten it up at the very last instance to set her down. Doug's right-on though...gusts demand every bit of your attention, reflexes and skill!!

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Anyone done a 'reverse landing' - hit the piano keys in a Ralleye with a hell of a head wind, did a 'flutter down' (just on the stall point), when I hit the deck, actually went backwards. (had been planned, but it worked - talk bout TOTAL lack of ground rush).






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Yeah that is what I was wondering about, the mechanics on those wheels at those angles. That ought to be really something...
Someone (Doug, Kevin) correct me if I'm wrong. I don't believe the big airliners have a crab system. It appears from the videos that the pilot in the videos above, is flying into the wind and at the last second, uses the rudder to straighen the aircraft with the runway. I know nothing, but you're free to move about the cabin. I hope those are extreme examples of cross wind landings and surely couldn't be typical.
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Crabbed into Colorado Springs on a C-21 (Lear Jet) which was interesting. That was after the 737 crashed there in the '90s.
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Thats because the B52 has a quad or twin tandom landing gear. It's pretty unstable compared to the modern large aircraft. They bring the aircraft down as the main landing gear touches use the rudder to line up the fuse with the runway. then drop the fwd gear. hence the fishtailing feeling that is enhanced in someparts of the plane.

I used to fly 2 or 3 times into prestwick airport near glasgow scotland.(its a big airport the US use when bouncing into Europe). the weather there could get pretty aweful. Many of time we landed in horizontal winds and high cross winds. a little jetstream 31 was quite a fun aircraft.
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Most larger passenger aircraft have pivot capable main gear, some more then others. The 74 gear trucks would pivot 17 degrees either side. The B-52 gear is more or less driven by the rudder while others are free floating. All the cross wind stuff aside, the most hairy landings were always when autoland was used. This feature allowed landing when ceilings were less than 100 feet. Used this several times in 747SP, was scary to have main gear touch runway while the cockpit was still in the soup and as the aircraft settled onto the runway and the cockpit left the soup and you suddenly saw the runway you took control and brought 300k+ kilos to a stop. First time I did this at Heathrow, a ball pean hammer would have been needed to drive a straight pin up my . Big bucks to fly big iron. Helicopters are much more fun by far.

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That's also a lot of trust in the dials. those are very high cabins. I did a evac
test in hamburg on the A380 and jumping down the shute from upstairs in partial darkness wasn't as much fun as I thought it would be. hehe

here's the vid of that.

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First time I did this at Heathrow, a ball pean hammer would have been needed to drive a straight pin up my . Big bucks to fly big iron. Helicopters are much more fun by far.
Thanks Easty and Doug for your information. Doug, you do have a way of expressing yourself.
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Easty, you one of them test dummies??? That looks like fun. You are correct, the flight deck is way up yonder when the mains touch down. Talk about trust: When we did a missed approach in the 74, even when initiating the manuver at decision ht, our main gear would hit the ground before we started to climb out. At times it could get nerves on end.
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