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Race Chip Tuning 250 CDI

I have done some research into the ‘piggy back’ tuning kits and have purchased one for my 2014 250 CDI....A RaceChip Pro

http://www.racechip.com/chiptuning/mercedes/slk-class/r172/250-cdi-blueefficiency-150kw/index.php

It is reported that it will give up to 30% more BHP & Tourqe and save on fuel, so I will put it to the test tonight and publish the results if anyone is interested!
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I have done some research into the ‘piggy back’ tuning kits and have purchased one for my 2014 250 CDI....A RaceChip Pro

http://www.racechip.com/chiptuning/mercedes/slk-class/r172/250-cdi-blueefficiency-150kw/index.php

It is reported that it will give up to 30% more BHP & Tourqe and save on fuel, so I will put it to the test tonight and publish the results if anyone is interested!
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Have now installed the Race Chip Pro. Took approximately 10 mins and no tools needed. Came factory pre-set for the car, but as settings are adjustable I tweaked it up a bit using their pre-listed settings for better performance. The difference is AMAZING!

Better acceleration
Definitely more power
No longer any flat spots or lag
Throttle is much more responsive

I did a 0-60 test (in S mode) which showed 5.7 secs. There is also still room for more performance adjustment but I have not tried this as yet. Also, I have not tested the fuel consumption as it is too soon but will report this later.
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Shame they dont list one for the petrol version .

Good you have noticed a difference .
Hopefully it dont affect any other components .
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Hi Ian

I don't doubt your findings at all but can't really understand why MB don't map the engine in this way from the start. exactly what does this installation involve?

I take it you bought the middle one on the website

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Shame they dont list one for the petrol version .

Good you have noticed a difference .
Hopefully it dont affect any other components .
They list R172 200 & 250 CGI only. Give them a ring, they can probably supply one for a R171.
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I don't doubt your findings at all but can't really understand why MB don't map the engine in this way from the start. exactly what does this installation involve?

I take it you bought the middle one on the website

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Yes I know what you mean, but MB and all others tune thier cars (to a happy medium) to suit all countries for tax, emmisions, power output, fuel quality, climate etc so there is quite a lot of untapped potential in all new engines. Don't forget also that they nearly all have top speed limiters also!!
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Hi Ian

I don't doubt your findings at all but can't really understand why MB don't map the engine in this way from the start. exactly what does this installation involve?

I take it you bought the middle one on the website

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Install is really easy (Pro 2 one). Have a look at thier website and it shows you how with a DVD. I'm not a mechanic by any means so if it was complicated I would'nt have bothered.
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I don't doubt your findings at all but can't really understand why MB don't map the engine in this way from the start.
With turbo engines, the ECU determines how much boost to apply, so its really easy to change the boost to increase power and torque.

Manufacturers don't set everything to max for a number of reasons:
  • It can negatively affect fuel consumption, which can affect sales in a big way
  • It will reduce the life of the engine and gearbox f the additional power is used
  • Too much torque can overwhelm the gearbox and transmission and destroy something
  • They might take sales away from their more powerful engines which have a bigger profit margin.

Modern engines are very robust, so reducing their life by 10,000 miles isn't likely to be noticed until three owners and many years down the line

The possibility of breaking something is usually tackled by looking at the rating of the relevant components, and staying within the rating, but there are less responsible tuners that just crank things up to the biggest number they can manage, then just hope the car survives. But, as soon as you modify the car, the warranty doesn't apply to any resultant damage, so its you, not the tuner, that takes the risk

Its interesting that MB set the CDi performance to exactly match the 250 petrol. If they gave it the power of a 350, who would buy the 350?
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Diesel engines are smoke limited when it comes to tuning for power. They also produce more NOx, which really can't be managed without a de-NOx or SCR catalyst. So MB have to tune the engine to meet Euro 5 limits, Racechips don't.

I'm assuming that the R172 oil burner has a DPF. If so, increasing boost and fuelling to get more power will increase the soot loading in the DPF.

As for better fuel economy AND more power, yeah right. Dream on!
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All great comments but I am looking forward to hearing more from Ian....

Damn cheap 60 HP

I am sure fuel consumption will be a lot worse if the extra HP is,used but I guess if you drive it gently it may be possible to get even greater mpg

Generally chips seem to get a bad press.....from a waste of money, it's a scam.......to Ian's experience!!!!!

I have currently a CLS350 bout the grande edition which is chipped by MB To give more power than the standard 350..... That works for sure, but of course I am not sure what MB actually do

All very interesting

Anybody else fitted a race chip pro?

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Good comments here, but I will try and clear a few things up. I agree there are some chip scammers out there like there is with everything you buy, some honest some not. I am fortunate to live in Newport Pagnell which is only 1 1/2 miles from MB (UK) Head Office in Milton Keynes, and therefore over time through my work have got to know a lot of their staff including senior engineers. The chip issue intrigued me having heard of some very positive comments by other MB owners, so I thought I would ask a few questions with ‘the people in the know’.

I was told by their engineers that if you want a chip that works, is proven, and is made to the required standard, then buy a Race Chip. No surprise then that they are made in Germany!? A lot of the guys who own their own Merc and do not drive a company one have this chip fitted. They also say the best notable gains are to be had from diesel engines.

I also asked the question about what effect it would have on engine components and of course my warranty. I am told that the engines are produced and tested to allow for a variation of mapping scenarios which give much increased power, but are effectively tuned down to suit various legislations in other countries, and most notably where the tax is defined by the Kw output. It is far too costly production wise to map every car specific to a country of shipment and legislation. There is of course a warranty issue if MB wants to be anal about it, but I am told its totally untraceable when removed for servicing etc. Also, you should ALWAYS tell your insurance company that you have one. I did and the premium remained the same J

Had mine fitted now for a few days with no issues at all...just a big smile. As for fuel consumption, yes you will use more if you always have your foot to the floor but driven sensibly you need less throttle and thus save on fuel. At the moment I do not have any figures, but when I do I will post them.

If anyone out there buys one for the SLK 250 then I will pass on the settings I currently use which are fine for me and seem to work very well.
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Good comments here, but I will try and clear a few things up. I agree there are some chip scammers out there like there is with everything you buy, some honest some not. I am fortunate to live in Newport Pagnell which is only 1 1/2 miles from MB (UK) Head Office in Milton Keynes, and therefore over time through my work have got to know a lot of their staff including senior engineers. The chip issue intrigued me having heard of some very positive comments by other MB owners, so I thought I would ask a few questions with ‘the people in the know’.

I was told by their engineers that if you want a chip that works, is proven, and is made to the required standard, then buy a Race Chip. No surprise then that they are made in Germany!? A lot of the guys who own their own Merc and do not drive a company one have this chip fitted. They also say the best notable gains are to be had from diesel engines.

I also asked the question about what effect it would have on engine components and of course my warranty. I am told that the engines are produced and tested to allow for a variation of mapping scenarios which give much increased power, but are effectively tuned down to suit various legislations in other countries, and most notably where the tax is defined by the Kw output. It is far too costly production wise to map every car specific to a country of shipment and legislation. There is of course a warranty issue if MB wants to be anal about it, but I am told its totally untraceable when removed for servicing etc. Also, you should ALWAYS tell your insurance company that you have one. I did and the premium remained the same J

Had mine fitted now for a few days with no issues at all...just a big smile. As for fuel consumption, yes you will use more if you always have your foot to the floor but driven sensibly you need less throttle and thus save on fuel. At the moment I do not have any figures, but when I do I will post them.

If anyone out there buys one for the SLK 250 then I will pass on the settings I currently use which are fine for me and seem to work very well.
Sorry, forgot to mention.....The chip does not affect the Particulate Filter so I am told by one MB engineer who has had one fitted on his for the last two years.
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Thanks Ian it sounds great and I will get one once I have had the car delivered...it's being built hopefully first week in June

Did you do lots of trials with different settings or just found one that suited you?

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Thanks Ian it sounds great and I will get one once I have had the car delivered...it's being built hopefully first week in June

Did you do lots of trials with different settings or just found one that suited you?

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Not really tested it up to the max yet as I only use it weekends when I can which is not enough! I will have a play at some point and let you know the result. I bet you counting the days now until yours arrives in this weather it's great!
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I sure am Ian , you will know the day mine is delivered......it will be the start for 40 day and 40 nights of rain

I look forward to hearing more on racechip, can you mount it in such a way that you can adjust the settings without removing covers from slk?

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I sure am Ian , you will know the day mine is delivered......it will be the start for 40 day and 40 nights of rain

I look forward to hearing more on racechip, can you mount it in such a way that you can adjust the settings without removing covers from slk?

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Yes, I mounted mine to the left side of the engine bay so I can access/remove it without removing any covers etc, and for ease of use when tweaking it on test runs.
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Sorry, forgot to mention.....The chip does not affect the Particulate Filter so I am told by one MB engineer who has had one fitted on his for the last two years.
That doesn't really stack up unless the biturbo means there is always an excess of air available.

What makes a dies emote is excess fuel in the combustion chamber.

Cheap tuning boxes and resistor mods just measure the air flow into the engine and overdose fuel which does make more power, much also produces excess soot which will clog up the DPF.

Better tuning boxes measure the air flow and boost pressure so they know the air as well as the fuel so they can overfuel and over boost which produces more power without so much soot. The newest tuning boxes also intercept the common rail fuel flow reading and are the least smokey of the lot.

MTMs M-Cantronic intercepts all the CANBUs signals as well but that's hellacious expensive.

I don't know who makes Race Chip but DTUK get theirs from DTE systems in Germany and they all come with the appropriate TUeV certification and they actually have a power curve on their website. They do 2 and 3 sensor boxes and they have recently teamed up with Shark Performance to do a Stage 2 tuning box with a custom map on it to match other mods to the car.

They don't claim anything like the power or torque increases that Race Chip do though.
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That doesn't really stack up unless the biturbo means there is always an excess of air available.

What makes a dies emote is excess fuel in the combustion chamber.

Cheap tuning boxes and resistor mods just measure the air flow into the engine and overdose fuel which does make more power, much also produces excess soot which will clog up the DPF.

Better tuning boxes measure the air flow and boost pressure so they know the air as well as the fuel so they can overfuel and over boost which produces more power without so much soot. The newest tuning boxes also intercept the common rail fuel flow reading and are the least smokey of the lot.

MTMs M-Cantronic intercepts all the CANBUs signals as well but that's hellacious expensive.

I don't know who makes Race Chip but DTUK get theirs from DTE systems in Germany and they all come with the appropriate TUeV certification and they actually have a power curve on their website. They do 2 and 3 sensor boxes and they have recently teamed up with Shark Performance to do a Stage 2 tuning box with a custom map on it to match other mods to the car.

They don't claim anything like the power or torque increases that Race Chip do though.
Yes, as far as I can tell the Race Chip does intercept the common rail
and it is TUV approved. With all the extra power gained with this unit there is absolutely no extra smoke (I thought there would be though). I had a LR Discovery professionally mapped using a PC a couple of years ago, and although there was a boost in power & torque the smoke on acceleration was awful. Got the guys back who tweaked it again but it was not that much better. The PC mapping was quite expensive, wheras with a chip you can adjust it to suit your preference anytime for free and hence why I bought it.

Race Chip do publish a dyno test result, but I suspect it is just a generic one for illustration. Who knows what the true result is for the SLK without doing a dyno yourself, but to be honest I am not that anal about facts & figures like some. If I can feel there is vastly better performance then that is good enough for me.
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Yes, as far as I can tell the Race Chip does intercept the common rail
and it is TUV approved. With all the extra power gained with this unit there is absolutely no extra smoke (I thought there would be though). I had a LR Discovery professionally mapped using a PC a couple of years ago, and although there was a boost in power & torque the smoke on acceleration was awful. Got the guys back who tweaked it again but it was not that much better. The PC mapping was quite expensive, wheras with a chip you can adjust it to suit your preference anytime for free and hence why I bought it.

Race Chip do publish a dyno test result, but I suspect it is just a generic one for illustration. Who knows what the true result is for the SLK without doing a dyno yourself, but to be honest I am not that anal about facts & figures like some. If I can feel there is vastly better performance then that is good enough for me.
With a DPF mopping up the particulates, you won't necessarily see any additional smoke at the tailpipe. Increasing the power output will increase engine out particulates, it's an inescapable fact. There will also be a significant increase in NOx, again simple fact. I'm not saying that the chip won't give the power benefits claimed, just that there are inevitable side effects that are fundamental to the way diesel combustion works.
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With a DPF mopping up the particulates, you won't necessarily see any additional smoke at the tailpipe. Increasing the power output will increase engine out particulates, it's an inescapable fact. There will also be a significant increase in NOx, again simple fact. I'm not saying that the chip won't give the power benefits claimed, just that there are inevitable side effects that are fundamental to the way diesel combustion works.
Every action has a reaction whatever that may be, that is a fact too. I would imagine that having the increased power must reduce the longevity of the engine components somehow, but so far I have heard no issues from anyone who has had one installed for any considerable length of time or mileage. The only reports I have heard is from people who have had it fitted for a couple of years (cars from new with average mileage) with no ill effects to report to date. I change cars every couple of years so if there were any I will never know!!
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