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Shuffle Steering

Someone who reviewed a driving manual I was working on wanted to know why I didn’t include shuffle steering (push-pull steering). Do any of you use shuffle steering when driving an SLK? Everyone I know how drives a high-performance car uses overhand steering.
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I've used push pull on winding back roads for years...figure what ever works for you...and while I understand there isn't an entire wheel in F1, the steering method would be most like push pull I think...but hey I've been wrong before, just ask my ex-wife...

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Shuffle on public roads. Cross arm on track. On public roads shuffle enables emergency avoidance if say a kid chasing a ball appears in front of the car. Cross arm may not enable that as quickly.
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from NHTSA:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do...techniques.pdf

If I have 2 hands on the wheel, it's hand-over-hand.
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Hand Position

The PDF on hand position appears to be outdated.

“Today, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recommends drivers put their hands at the 9 and 3 o'clock positions.”

I would also like to know who owns the logo on the top of the PDF because it’s not the logo normally used by the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration). At first, I thought it might be the UK’s DSA (Driving Standards Agency) logo, but it’s not the logo on my DSA book.

I did find this comment about NHTSA:

“The “8 & 4” approach, which is meant to prevent airbag-related injuries was a mere ill-informed, knee-jerk guess at a solution by people who claim to be safe driving experts but in reality, have very limited knowledge. Sadly, this is far from unusual here in the USA!”

According to “Roadcraft, the Police Driver’s Handbook” (2013), push-pull steering is not longer required in the UK. Most racecar drivers in the UK, including Ben Collins, recommend rotational steering (overhand steering) instead of push-pull steering. Collins says racecar drivers use rotational steering because it works.
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This:
https://www.diaryofanadi.co.uk/?p=6610
is an interesting take on how to steer.
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Before power steering, cars typically had 4 or more turns lock to lock of the wheel. In parking or even just turning into a side street, lots of steering lock was used. So endless arguments about technique ensued, especially about managing this when on the track in ones ‘64 Mustang.
Now power steering is on everything, and often with variable ratio or assist, meaning much less rotation is required. F1 cars barely use 90 degrees of lock so don’t need a round steering wheel(?), grip, yoke, whatever.
Everything has changed,
So techniques have changed in normal driving,
What never changes is mention types of engine oils, fuel additives and steering techniques and there will be a discussion with as many opinions as participants and no definitive answer.
What ever works for you, I’d say.
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Before power steering, cars typically had 4 or more turns lock to lock of the wheel. In parking or even just turning into a side street, lots of steering lock was used. So endless arguments about technique ensued, especially about managing this when on the track in ones ‘64 Mustang.

Now power steering is on everything, and often with variable ratio or assist, meaning much less rotation is required. F1 cars barely use 90 degrees of lock so don’t need a round steering wheel(?), grip, yoke, whatever.

Everything has changed,

So techniques have changed in normal driving,

What never changes is mention types of engine oils, fuel additives and steering techniques and there will be a discussion with as many opinions as participants and no definitive answer.

What ever works for you, I’d say.
Good point...add too steering wheels in the pre power steering tended to be larger to apply the necessary torque to the lever. Yes, a steering wheel is a type of lever. Since power steering wheels have gotten considerably smaller...but hey, use the method that works best for you...

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Good point...add too steering wheels in the pre power steering tended to be larger to apply the necessary torque to the lever. Yes, a steering wheel is a type of lever. Since power steering wheels have gotten considerably smaller...but hey, use the method that works best for you...
I thought the article provided by @Windinmyhair covered some very important points. For example, any steering method that gives you good control over your vehicle is a good steering method. In other words, if it’s not broke don’t fix it.

I recommend overhand steering (crossing your hands) because most of the people in the USA have never used push-pull (pull-push) steering and because it gives you good control over your vehicle during a high-speed pursuit. For overhand steering to be the most effective, your hand positions should be 9 and 3 and you should be able to rotate the steering wheel about 180 degrees after you cross your hand. Prior to crossing your hands, your maximum rotation will be about 45 degrees.

If someone like Reg Local—who is a retired police-driving instructor from the UK—came to the USA and took a course on pursuit driving, he could probably outperform most of the class using pull-push steering.
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This:
https://www.diaryofanadi.co.uk/?p=6610
is an interesting take on how to steer.
An interesting read, especially His thoughts on: "Chav Steering" - "Dry Steering" - "One handed Steering"....!!
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