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Benz refuses to hand over customers gps info to police

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Good news for us, kinda
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Thank you for sharing easty.

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My.. my.. if this is true MBUSA could be coming under a legal cloud. Obstructing an investigation that involved a hit and run that resulted in death is treading on thin ice.

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Here's a story regarding this sad episode. However, the GPS was activate the manufacture. http://www.dailynews.com/search/ci_6378810

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I say, good on the manufacturer for doing the right thing!
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From how i read it Benz refused to activate it but the Tele-Aid manufacturer decided to go ahead and do it anyways.

In that case i smell a new contract in the air cause MB wont accept that sorta bull.
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The protection of personal data should be first rule in my opinion. I know in the states compared to Europe they have very little protection and this reflects in a lot of information fraud. if the policing bodies can get hold of it then the commecial entity can probably get it also. Next you'll be getting a msg on your NAV saying Hey your aproaching a Maccy D's how about a big bun of sweat reconstituted meat? only 99c.
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The protection of personal data should be first rule in my opinion. I know in the states compared to Europe they have very little protection and this reflects in a lot of information fraud. if the policing bodies can get hold of it then the commecial entity can probably get it also. Next you'll be getting a msg on your NAV saying Hey your aproaching a Maccy D's how about a big bun of sweat reconstituted meat? only 99c.
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The protection of personal data should be first rule in my opinion. I know in the states compared to Europe they have very little protection and this reflects in a lot of information fraud. if the policing bodies can get hold of it then the commecial entity can probably get it also. Next you'll be getting a msg on your NAV saying Hey your aproaching a Maccy D's how about a big bun of sweat reconstituted meat? only 99c.
Regardless of this terrible tragedy, the use of the information was WRONG! There are many other ways the police could have gotten him without the intrusion, which establishes precedent for other uses.

What if he drove near enough to the accident but was not the actual car? Is it right to use his electronic aids to try and put him there and result in his possible false detention?

Can you imagine driving in shady Washington D.C. areas, being near where a shooting took place, and having your NAV system used to place you at the scene of a drive-by murder? Sometimes the police care more about finding someone guilty then finding the guilty someone.

Tele-Aid is GM's On-Star, BTW, and is automatically activated when the car is turned on, and is seperate from the stock NAV system.

Big brother is up there and watching, but Kudo's to Benz for not releasing the NAV info.

Unfortunatly, the Patriot Act and other things assure such measures won't hold for long. Piss off any backwater deputy and he'll tap the hell out of you, track you and find a way to pin a crime on you.

Hurray for screwed up Moral compasses! We'd rather have an idiot who bankrupts the country, makes it a police state and assures war and death for many then have a guy be a human and get a hummer in the oval office! Is it any wonder the world laughs at the USA?

How can anyone trust any man who doesn't like a good blow job now and then? It breaks up the work day, relieves stress and clears the mind for good decisions.

Look at the bright side, voting Republican assured you will not have any security or privacy any more, you put the country in debt, and trashed your kid's futures, but at least gay people can't marry!

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Racer,

I laughed and cried at the same time mate, well written post pal.
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I disagree with your comments. GPS is public airwaves. As to the original post by easty and if you figured out how the get to it's story, you'll not that this went through the courts and is legal prior to this incident.

If you don't like it, don't get a car equipped with GPS of any kind.

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Nah i stand by the privacy rights.

Its not the GPS as such because its one-way the cars can't transmit they only receive they transmit a location via PSTN and a locater only when an authorized user instructs the car to do so, what annoys me is the fact that a function of the car has been activated without the owners approval hell even without MB approval.

If cars where going around broadcasting this information all the time i could understand it so much more because then it really is public and while that could be used for things like collision avoidance systems in the future its currently not the case the cars only receive information unless instructed otherwise the fact anybody can demand this be enabled apart from the driver really pi$$es me off.

And anyway its hardly foolproof anybody could simply disconnect the tele-aid controller from the phone and antenna input and it would be disabled without even needing a dealer to recode the MOST, better yet because of its design you could remove it from the car completely connect it up to a GPS antenna and a boosted phone antenna supply 12 volts and its now broadcasting a totally wrong location, it would be a shame if the police wasted time hunting down a box because they can't be bothered to do it the right way wouldn't it.
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I understand where your coming from. The EU is a good example. However you have to be pragmatic. I hear the EU GPS satellites are coming on line and there (EU) a bit nosy. It would be a bitch getting a speeding ticket from GPS tracking.

But the subject has to do with taking a human life.

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They are nosy no doubt about it but i cant see it coming to the point of them using it to issue tickets, to start all the cars on the road in the EU currently have no form of tracking (unless they spec it and its from security companies not MB) the GPS navi systems cannot broadcast a position they don't have the kit necessary and we are talking hardware changes not simply software.

Second laws cannot be applied retrospectively so cars that are already built are exempt from anything anyways and third as i pointed out they can be easy deactivated by anybody and if people wanted to be really smart they could re-program the boxes so that the car is always within the speed limit.

I do appreciate that a life was taken in this incident and thats a tragic loss as is any loss of human life but a line has to be drawn at what point does it become acceptable to pry like this and while i might not have as much experience at this life game as some of you folks one thing i have learned (mostly from working with insurance companies!) is that rules can be bent to suit ones needs unless set in stone.

You can't have a law that states its OK to pry in X X and X situations you have to have one that either says snoop whenever you want or its totally unacceptable at any time that way nobody law enforcement or otherwise can get around the rules.
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Dan, good luck in your life.
Excuse me?

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I do appreciate that a life was taken in this incident and thats a tragic loss as is any loss of human life but a line has to be drawn at what point does it become acceptable to pry like this and while i might not have as much experience at this life game as some of you folks one thing i have learned (mostly from working with insurance companies!) is that rules can be bent to suit ones needs unless set in stone........
Not good .......

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Using Tele-aid data

I think you guys are reading way more into this story than actually exists. In the original story it looks pretty clear that there were eyewitnesses who were able to report the actual license number of the car. The cops seem to have asked for the GPS data to locate the car after the hit and run. So what?

A major crime was commited with an automobile, an innocent life was taken and the driver needs to be brought to justice. Hopefully the car was located so that evidence could be gathered. It sounds like it was found and the forensic evidence should be pretty clear. The court case against the guy will be won or lost based on the evidence: was the car involved in the hit and run, was the supposed driver actually driving the car at the time (maybe it was stolen), can the eyewitness reports stand up to scrutiny in court, etc, etc. Relax guys. Nobody is asking for YOUR GPS data!
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May i ask what you where expecting?

I think its clear I'm sorry to hear about a persons death its a tragic shame that a person of such a young age is lost to the world but the fact remains people bend rules when it will be of benefit to them i don't mean your average Joe I'm talking companies and in the case of laws governments.

Lines have to be set for everything, lets take speeding for instance since its been mentioned already if you have a speed limit of 60mph but you say if you are in an emergency you can break it how long before people start breaking the rule for whatever they class as an emergency.

You could have everything from my son has just cut his arm off to i forgot to feed my cat this morning, in a perfect world the first person should be given the green light and the second busted but this is not a perfect world and you can't make exceptions for one and not the other.
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