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Talking Ferrari California clocked at 231km/h

Lucky he didn't drive an SLK, he would of been caught at 250km/h


Ferrari California clocked at 231km/h

Chris Thomson

July 13, 2009 - 5:17PM
Police have impounded a rare Ferrari California - one of only two in Australia - after its driver was allegedly clocked driving at 231km/h through the West Australian Wheatbelt.
Sergeant Greg Lambert said the rare red sports car had been recorded travelling more than twice the legal limit when spotted by police just before noon today.
Sergeant Lambert said the Ferrari's 57-year-old male driver would be charged with reckless driving.
"Just because a car is worth a lot of money, it doesn't give the driver any better road sense," he said.
The $470,000 Ferrari has been impounded for 28 days and towed to a police receival unit in Perth.




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Typical that the driving was described as "reckless" despite there being no reported danger to anyone.

Don't worry folks, you can drive as badly as you like, especially in fog, the dark, in heavy rain or in heavy traffic - or far too close to the car in front, or overtake with insufficient clearance or on a blind bend - even cause an accident and injure someone - but provided you are travelling at less than the statutory speed limit while you do so, you'll probably get away with it.

After all, as we all know, driving badly or carelessly is always perfectly harmless. But travelling at even one mph over some wretched arbitary speed limit, even on a deserted road in perfect weather conditions, immediately makes you and your car a lethal menace.
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I kind of agree with the above comment. The fact is we don't know for sure the conditions of the road/weather and if there were other drivers - the story is pretty vague.

From personal experience though: Sometimes ill drive my car too fast, maybe 200km/h, but I pick my place and my time when I do that. I rarley hit 100mp/h (160~) if there are other drives on the road, the times I go faster then 100 - Its 1-5AM, there's no cars behind or in front of me, im on a large 4+ Lane highway (4 lanes in each direction), and as soon as I start catching up to cars ill slow down.

Would be cool if they could redefine reckless driving a bit to include other drivers on the road or something... I would hate to get my car towed/impounded because I was doing 30mp/h over the speed limit in perfectly safe conditions...
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It is a shame that it is easier to police speeding than it is to police bad driving. I guess the guy committed the ultimate sin,........ he got caught.
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I am so glad I did all that and went faster LEGALLY and FREELY in Germany

its always funny to me, how driving fast in literally every country is considered a crime.

Thats why I never understood,why anyone on earth,if they do not live in Germany,would even consider driving aka buying a super fast car...

To germans, it makes absolutely no sense,having a sports car in countries where the speed limit is like you are in your 70's and can't go over 65mph . . .
but then again...we have few folks, who still wanna enjoy the fast car and rock on
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Yes this is a paradox that has always bothered me. Why even make cars that go above the speed limit? It's like giving someone a big bag of pot and expecting them not to smoke it.
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LOL one of my workmate drove pass the truck that was carrying the ferrari
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Its the First Ferrari I officially hate, I saw a white on red the other day it looks like a cheap knock off, sort of lexus cabriolet feel.

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bit more details on the story... supposedly the driver who got clocked at that speed was a reviewer reviewing the car for a newspaper or something during a test drive. And under hoon laws, if something gets busted going that far over the limit, they impound the car for a week or something like that. They had a few more test drives scheduled for the rest of the week for other people reviewing the car, but bit hard to do that when its on an impound lot
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Don't worry folks, you can drive as badly as you like, especially in fog, the dark, in heavy rain or in heavy traffic - or far too close to the car in front, or overtake with insufficient clearance or on a blind bend - even cause an accident and injure someone - but provided you are travelling at less than the statutory speed limit while you do so, you'll probably get away with it.
I would like to jump on this bandwagon as there is a LOT of bad driving I witness everyday that goes unpunished. I think everyone can attest to that (and everyone is guilty of that). However, a lot of that bad driving behavior is subjective (Did he really cut you off? Should've she let you in the lane? Did they run the red light?).

Speeding is pretty much a go/no go thing and much easier to catch.

It's unfortunate that there aren't more tickets handed out for other poor driving habits. (If you'd like to help. Next time you see someone driving like a maniac, report them.... once in awhile the police do catch up with those people if you report them)

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After all, as we all know, driving badly or carelessly is always perfectly harmless. But travelling at even one mph over some wretched arbitary speed limit, even on a deserted road in perfect weather conditions, immediately makes you and your car a lethal menace.
I don't buy this argument.

All sarcasm aside, just because a lot of infractions of other bad driving behaviors are ignored doesn't make driving at 231km/h safe.

By rough calculation (Keyword = rough. Don't let this get into arguments over exact stopping distances of a Ferrari or the super quick reaction times of F1 drivers) the driver would need approx 250 meters to come to a complete stop. Let's assume he needs 150 meters to bring it down to a speed that would allow the car to have enough agility to manoever around any hazard. That would mean the driver would have to ensure there were no other hazards/people around him for 150 meters to be "safe".

Keep in mind he's moving at 3.8km/minute (65 meters a second). So in order NOT to be a lethal menace it had to have been a pretty empty road.

and yes, there's arguments about highways with no speed limits being very safe. I'm not arguing whether there should or should not be a speed limit. I'm arguing that driving over the speed limit is not safe (more specfically driving at 231km/h) If there's a posted speed limit there will be people driving that limit (or possibly slower).

The real hazard is when you introduce different vehicles travelling at different speeds with driver's with different attitudes and different skill levels.
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Not sure where this happened, but in Australia, there are long flat stretches of highway where visibility can go over a mile.

Same as many places in Nevada, Montana, and other desert/plain states.


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Its the First Ferrari I officially hate, I saw a white on red the other day it looks like a cheap knock off, sort of lexus cabriolet feel.
Agreed! Give me an F430 anyday!!!
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"By rough calculation (Keyword = rough. Don't let this get into arguments over exact stopping distances of a Ferrari or the super quick reaction times of F1 drivers) the driver would need approx 250 meters to come to a complete stop. Let's assume he needs 150 meters to bring it down to a speed that would allow the car to have enough agility to manoever around any hazard. That would mean the driver would have to ensure there were no other hazards/people around him for 150 meters to be "safe".

Keep in mind he's moving at 3.8km/minute (65 meters a second). So in order NOT to be a lethal menace it had to have been a pretty empty road."
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But magically, at 1 mph below the speed limit, all this is somehow no longer a problem!

ALL speed limits are necessarily arbitary and have very little relation to any real danger, as I hinted at in my earlier post. Speeds well below the artificial "limit" can be very dangerous in bad weather / poor visibility / heavy traffic - but no-one gets prosecuted for driving "too fast" in such conditions provided they stay within the statutary limit.

Just ask yourself - is the maximum safe speed the same on a bend as it is on a straight road? Yet the speed limit will be the same in both cases!

The greatest danger of concentrating exclusively on speed limits in a misguided attempt to make driving safer is that it leads drivers to drive according to the statutory speed restrictions, rather than modifying their driving speed to suit the conditions.

If you want to break the speed limit without fear of prosecution, do so in fog or heavy rain - they can't see you or catch you then. OK you'll probably kill sourself or someone else, but at least you'll escape prosecution for speeding. Such is the daft logic of relying exclusively on trying to enforce speed limits, rather than trying to prosecute bad driving!

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Not to mention the fact that the guy probably wasn't suicidal and if he was at the wheel of that car he probably knew what he was doing. He was probably safer than a 16 year old girl texting while driving.
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All sarcasm aside, just because a lot of infractions of other bad driving behaviors are ignored doesn't make driving at 231km/h safe.
Driving a car that is capable of 300+ km/h at 231 km/h is almost by definition, taking it easy. The car will have been very happy cruising along at that speed. Drivers do this everyday on the autobahn in Gemany, without killing themselves or anyone else. Granted if you do have a prang, better to do it at 100 km/h than 200 or even 300..

Under the right conditions, with the right car and a good driver, these sort of speeds are nominally safe.

However, With a car that can only just do 231 or a road that is busy or of poor quality, or a driver without much talent or appreciation of what he/she is doing, whole different ball of wax entirely. Not safe at all.

Just because high speed is illegal doesn't mean it's unsafe and just because a speed is legal doesn't mean it's safe either.
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Typical that the driving was described as "reckless" despite there being no reported danger to anyone.

Don't worry folks, you can drive as badly as you like, especially in fog, the dark, in heavy rain or in heavy traffic - or far too close to the car in front, or overtake with insufficient clearance or on a blind bend - even cause an accident and injure someone - but provided you are travelling at less than the statutory speed limit while you do so, you'll probably get away with it.

After all, as we all know, driving badly or carelessly is always perfectly harmless. But travelling at even one mph over some wretched arbitary speed limit, even on a deserted road in perfect weather conditions, immediately makes you and your car a lethal menace.
I recognise that cynicism, is that the same Titus I know of MX-5 fame?
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A lot of good points made on here, maybe one of our Aussie friends will be able to tell us more about the road conditions but its not really fair to get too judgmental without knowing that.

If this was a quiet stretch then the F-car was perfectly safe but if other car's where shooting by then it was bloody stupid.
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[QUOTE=Titus;120955]ALL speed limits are necessarily arbitary and have very little relation to any real danger, as I hinted at in my earlier post. [QUOTE]

Agreed.

Maybe with a little bit of technology and lobbying we can get speed limit signs that will sense road conditions and change accordingly....

thinks about it....

hmmmm....

that was one of those ideas that sounded better in my head than when it came out of my mouth

I think all cars should be like KITT (whoops... just dated myself). When you start driving outside of acceptable driving conditions a voice comes on and says.

"Hey buttmunch, I didn't notice when we entered the Monaco GP and neither did the pedestrian you just about hit."

and then slows the car down for you.

Actually that's what I call the speed governors in cars..... idiot warnings. If I hit the governor in a car I'm driving it's a gentle reminder to myself saying "Is it REALLY necessary to be driving this fast?"

However, none of that exists yet, so in the meantime I'll abide by the speed limit (even when road conditions permit higher speeds) and drive to the road conditions even when the speed limit permits me to go faster.
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I'd be all for speed limits that change with weather, provided you put enough sign's up and have some way to enforce them (adjustable speed cams?), a few sensors should do the trick (temp, water detection, dew point, things like that) but as always the devil is in the detail, folks should be paying attention to speed limit sign's but change them every 5 minutes and people will get confused.
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The pretence that speed is a major cause of accidents arises from that fact that speed is easy to measure and therefore easy to prosecute.

There are plenty of other driving activities which are far more dangerous but which are harder to prosecute, and which are therefore ignored.

An obsession exclusively with speed limits is a hypocritical exercise in "wishing to be seen to be doing something" rather than an honest and realistic attempt to improve driving standards and real safety.
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