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Killing Corvettes is a favorite pastime of mine. My 2006 SLK55 is not capable of killing any and all Vettes on the highway but can and has slain a C5 last year (Easy) and a C6 Conv also last year. the later encounter being two heads up drag races thru a measured 1/8th mi at a charity drag race and while the C6 is rated at 430hp it would appear that their horses are smaller and less competitive than ours? Beat him pulling away on both runs. I think I was as surprised as he, . I think GM rates their engines based on median output samples from a limited number of engines with a healthy dose of BS thrown in by the marketing dept. AMG rates their engines on the actual dyno test of each engine and rejects any which are not up to or exceeding the specification rating. Meaning that statistically most exceed their rated HP numbers. How else could a car rated 75 less HP and 200 lbs heavier, out run the more powerful, lighter car?? Either AMG is sandbagging or GM was lying or a little of both.

More recently last week I was headed home from work and was down to the last 4 miles of two lane from the Interstate to home and ended up behind a C5 Vette with a performance exhaust on it. Meaning I could hear it. We were stuck behind a Civic and I caught up to him. My regular work car is an oil-burner E320 Bluetec Diesel which is torquey but not really that fast and when the Civic finally pealed off, the Vette driver took off. I followed more out of curiosity than a desire to provoke a competition. We stopped a a 4-way one mile from home and then pulled out slowly. The Vette slowed to nearly a stop in front of a local hang out and pulled a 7 grand burnout thru 1st, 2nd and most of 3rd. I followed, in the Diesel thinking that "This never happens when I am in the SLK". Would have been much more fun for me. I was impressed with how well the E320 kept up though considering what I was chasing.
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The early C6's were 400 hp with the LS2 engine. Chevy doesn't usually inflate numbers. I chalk the rest up to the driver, maybe he was manual shifting and shifting at the wrong points? 1/8th mile is mostly about the launch too, if he had crappy tires then it is over. Good job out driving him
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Please don't embarrass yourself by saying your killing Corvettes... Honda Accords kill me at most red lights With equal drivers and equal will Corvettes are going to walk all over your 55. Sorry to burst the crowds bubble. Even a base 2005 Corvette is a full 1/2 second in the 1/4 mile faster than an 05 SLK55. A race between a 95 Corvette and an 05 SLK55 is an even race.
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Please don't embarrass yourself by saying your killing Corvettes... Honda Accords kill me at most red lights With equal drivers and equal will Corvettes are going to walk all over your 55. Sorry to burst the crowds bubble. Even a base 2005 Corvette is a full 1/2 second in the 1/4 mile faster than an 05 SLK55. A race between a 95 Corvette and an 05 SLK55 is an even race.
I am not sure where you are getting your numbers from, but that is not what i have seen. Stock #'s for the 55 are 12.7-12.9 normally @ ~111. A 2005 vette is about the same, but traps a mph or 2 higher. The C5 isn't close. I raced a C6 on the highway and it was very close, likely an LS2 based one and not the later LS3.
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I am not sure where you are getting your numbers from,
The track. With an SLK55 12.9 is with a good driver and that's not saying much with an automatic. That goes for a Vette also. If it's a manual, it requires a little more skill. Obviously the SLK55 is always going to be running an auto in stock form which is why I have an SLK350. I like the 6 speed. The 05 Vette is normally running ~12.5. The only place where disagreements on this are settled is on the track though...
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The track. With an SLK55 12.9 is with a good driver and that's not saying much with an automatic. That goes for a Vette also. If it's a manual, it requires a little more skill. Obviously the SLK55 is always going to be running an auto in stock form which is why I have an SLK350. I like the 6 speed. The 05 Vette is normally running ~12.5. The only place where disagreements on this are settled is on the track though...
I seriously doubt those vettes are stock as no magazines got close to that. 2018 mustang will smoke any of the cars listed. Times advance pretty rapidly these days.
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some watching. Actually couldn't find one where the Corvette was faster (in given circumstances)


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as no magazines got close to that.
And there in lies our problem. I don't debate magazine knowledge. It's not always about what a magazine shows. Have you ever been behind the scenes of one of those articles? A lot of variables that can be manipulated (whether on purpose or not) either way for a plethora of reasons.






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some watching. Actually couldn't find one where the Corvette was faster (in given circumstances)

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At least those vids show a little evidence, but you still don't know what's been done to each car or who the drivers are or what may or may not have happened to the Vette down the other end of the track. In the first one I think the Vette driver either sissied out or just got out of it. Either way, to be honest, they both looked pretty slow.
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And there in lies our problem. I don't debate magazine knowledge. It's not always about what a magazine shows. Have you ever been behind the scenes of one of those articles? A lot of variables that can be manipulated (whether on purpose or not) either way for a plethora of reasons.
That is why you look at more than 1 magazine, just in case 1 had poor numbers for some reason. If 3 or 4 are coming out quite close, then that is probably a pretty solid number. The numbers for both cars were gathered the same way so it is as close to apples to apples as you are going to get.

Vettes are very easy to modify and respond to them very well, so even a couple of small tweaks changes their times drastically. I wish the 55 responded as well to mods. I have been searching for a bottleneck, but I have not found anything. I am guessing the head design is just not as good.
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That is why you look at more than 1 magazine, just in case 1 had poor numbers for some reason. If 3 or 4 are coming out quite close, then that is probably a pretty solid number. The numbers for both cars were gathered the same way so it is as close to apples to apples as you are going to get.

Vettes are very easy to modify and respond to them very well, so even a couple of small tweaks changes their times drastically. I wish the 55 responded as well to mods. I have been searching for a bottleneck, but I have not found anything. I am guessing the head design is just not as good.
You're absolutely right about the mods for Vettes. Historically Vette owners have liked to play. I think the reason you don't see the 55 getting easy mods and found horsepower/torque is because the German engineers have already squeezed out all they can from the normally aspirated motor. Of course there are things that can still be done, but it already has pretty high compression and that's where a lot of it comes from. I'm quite sure if more of the market demanded it, you would see Benz hiding some HP from the insurance companies so owners can play with add-ons.
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There are a couple of Vette's at our local SCCA events, but generally they are in the right lane going 5 under the speed limit.
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Please don't embarrass yourself by saying your killing Corvettes... Honda Accords kill me at most red lights With equal drivers and equal will Corvettes are going to walk all over your 55. Sorry to burst the crowds bubble. Even a base 2005 Corvette is a full 1/2 second in the 1/4 mile faster than an 05 SLK55. A race between a 95 Corvette and an 05 SLK55 is an even race.
I get what you are saying. On paper the SLK should not win. In reality it does even if you are not trying that hard. When I ran the C6 convertible I had my top down, he had his top up which reduced drag somewhat. It was not a casual stop light drag race. We were at the track and we were both racing fangs out. I know the driver and he is no slug. I also know that Chevy rates his car on paper at 430hp. His car is the 2009 LS3 (6.2 liter) with the 6spd auto and should have won... (on paper). They are a solid 12.6 ET 1/4mi car. The SLK55 is very, very quick off the line and is faster than it should be from 0-60mph. They are about a 12.7-12.9 ET car in the 1/4 if it is not too hot out. We raced twice thru a measured 1/8th. If you know anything about the 1/8th you know that whatever the car turns in the 1/8th it will turn about 1.5x that in the 1/4mi. That day I was turning consistent 8.3-8.4 sec ET's. Conditions were near perfect with 65 deg & sunny weather. The 1/8 is all about the launch and I did cut a better light on the first run but I beat the guy so badly, (4 lengths and pulling away on topend) that I intentionally made sure that he got the light on the 2nd run. I still passed him and pulled away on top. I even asked him if he had a problem off the line or something else and he said no that the [email protected]#$% Benz just smoked him. The race looked very similar to the one in the first video attached to this thread with the black SLK. Now, I have also raced two different C6 Z/06's at this same track. Those are 500hp cars stock and one of them was very highly modified and one was bone stock. Both beat me. The stock one pulled away by 1.5 car lengths on top end after being dead even off the line. The modded car was more like 2.5 cars pulling away hard after struggling to hook up off the line. On a 1/4mi either would win no contest as they have much more power. The SLK is not that powerful and on topend is not that impressive but thru the first three gears it is quite capable. I used to own a modified supercharged C32 AMG which was running about 400hp and was very fast on topend. It has been beaten by an SLK55 AMG much to my dismay. In fact that was one of the reasons I got my SLK is that I knew it was not going to be a step down in performance from the old C32 despite the rated numbers saying otherwise. keep in mind that this same C32 ran dead even thru the 1/4mi with a E92 M3 with the auto SMG trans. That is a 400hp+ car that was hitting 12.9-13 flat in the qtr that day. So, regardless of what the spec sheet racers say the SLK55 punches above its weight and really does not take much skill to do so. As long as you have decent reaction times and can hold the throttle to the floor for a few seconds, AMG will take care of the rest.

I know that racing Vettes is dangerous for many reasons. There are many models of varying capabilities. Some are much faster than others. Many owners will mod their cars and if those mods made it faster then tough luck for you. If you are too dumb to know a std C5 from a C6 Z/06 you will lose more often. And gawd help you if you line up beside of a ZR1 supercharged monster. All you can hope for in that case is that it is slick and on a street drag without a prepped launch zone those 600+ hp monsters do not hook up at all and you can maybe jump them off the line and after about 2 gears you can let off and coast to the next light and ask him if he wants to race again . And no, I am not claiming I can outrun a ZR1 and don't know any other SLK owners who have.

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