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I knew I'd have a bit of a disadvantage as I kept the top in the trunk to prevent my over $300 realignment / lubrication from being affected by any flex. In truth, I should not take glee in pounding on an autocross newbie, however, I am a proud Daddy of my little Benz.

First autocross of the season, and a twenty-something, rich kid with a new GT-R was getting his panties in a bunch over my times. I think it had something to do with the fact (his family) owns a dealership, as evidenced by his friend in the C300 with stock tag on the keychain.

It was a battle all the way from 60 seconds down to 52.747 in the GT-R, with me constantly bettering him, ending in my 52.111 making him livid. I kept trying to console him about the expierence difference, but the fat old guy in the SLK just was more than his young pride could handle. Finally, he did one last lap and squeeked by me with a sneeze, 52.099.

He was all smiles and parading around and letting me have it. I should have kept my mouth shut, but I am too proud of my little car. I said to him "go up to the boards and look up Brad in OSR class, I loaned him the SLK to do three laps.

Taller, fatter and older than me, Brad, a national racer wth 20 years of expierence put down a 50.972.

We felt so bad for him, one of the other national racers who has too many trophies with his GT2 gave him the trophy as "most improved" to make him feel better.

How could I not walked away stoked? I had fun giving a kid who didn't respect my car a hard time, and I did put down a rip roaring performance as well. Most importantly, I had proved that I'm only a second or two off of my car's limits.

Brad thinks if we disable the traction control completely, the SLK would do a lot better, although he would not disable the ABS. He was amazed at the braking power, "the first time I hit the brakes the car just stopped, I was not expecting that level of braking."
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The R171 is an incredible machine that surprises a lot of people

It's good you didn't keep your mouth shut.

Those types of kids need to be put in their place.. Especially if they have almost double your horsepower and they think it's all about numbers.


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Nice story. Did you do a video this time? I remember watching one of your other videos of passing porsches which was great!


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I knew I'd have a bit of a disadvantage as I kept the top in the trunk to prevent my over $300 realignment / lubrication from being affected by any flex. In truth, I should not take glee in pounding on an autocross newbie, however, I am a proud Daddy of my little Benz.

First autocross of the season, and a twenty-something, rich kid with a new GT-R was getting his panties in a bunch over my times. I think it had something to do with the fact (his family) owns a dealership, as evidenced by his friend in the C300 with stock tag on the keychain.

It was a battle all the way from 60 seconds down to 52.747 in the GT-R, with me constantly bettering him, ending in my 52.111 making him livid. I kept trying to console him about the expierence difference, but the fat old guy in the SLK just was more than his young pride could handle. Finally, he did one last lap and squeeked by me with a sneeze, 52.099.

He was all smiles and parading around and letting me have it. I should have kept my mouth shut, but I am too proud of my little car. I said to him "go up to the boards and look up Brad in OSR class, I loaned him the SLK to do three laps.

Taller, fatter and older than me, Brad, a national racer wth 20 years of expierence put down a 50.972.

We felt so bad for him, one of the other national racers who has too many trophies with his GT2 gave him the trophy as "most improved" to make him feel better.

How could I not walked away stoked? I had fun giving a kid who didn't respect my car a hard time, and I did put down a rip roaring performance as well. Most importantly, I had proved that I'm only a second or two off of my car's limits.

Brad thinks if we disable the traction control completely, the SLK would do a lot better, although he would not disable the ABS. He was amazed at the braking power, "the first time I hit the brakes the car just stopped, I was not expecting that level of braking."
I don't know why you are so proud? the GTR is great, but not really optimized for the track. while, you supposedly have YEARS of experience...it makes you feel a lot better to make him feel bad about his new car?

Makes me wonder who's the superficial one in this story.

Fact of the matter, a newbie beat your time.


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Not really optimised for the track???

are you kidding?

it was developed on the Nurburgring, where it laps a 14 mile circuit over 14 seconds faster than a veyron and over 20 seconds faster than a 997 Turbo.

if you look up BBC top gear's lap times, you'll see it laps their test track on a par with the aerial atom ferrari 458, ferrari enzo, lamborghini gallardo etc.

It is very much a track car, despite its enormous bulk.

This makes racercub's achievements all the more impressive in a lowly R171. I wonder what he could do in the GTR.
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uh.. sorry to disagree with the op.. but the GTR with even a decent driver is going to spank you 9 ways til sunday. That guy either had no 'gonads' or no idea how to drive. GTR is more power, more torque and above all.. AWD!

I am NOT dissing your abilities, just stating car vs. car.

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Autocross and road tracks are different. Cars like the Elise, Mini's do extremely well on autocross b/c it's all about lighter weight and handling. GTR, although a great and fast car isn't build for autocross, just too heavy. Road courses are a different story, especially ones that you can build up speed like the Nurburgring. I've read many reviews on the GTR, with it's computer gadgets, it's an easy car to go fast, even if you are a novice, the computer will correct your mistakes so it's no surprised that a kid is fast. I've heard many stories about beginners in a GTR going to the track for the first time and get respectable times. The problem with that is it hides your mistake, get into a Porsche or a Corvette and try to drive that way, you might end up in a wall. Still have to respect the GTR for what it is, it's fast and it makes you comfortable going fast.

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Not really optimised for the track???

are you kidding?

it was developed on the Nurburgring, where it laps a 14 mile circuit over 14 seconds faster than a veyron and over 20 seconds faster than a 997 Turbo.
You have clearly missed the point.

RacerCub was at an AutoX. the GTR is optimized for high speed tracks or mixed tracks. On AutoX, the AWD is much harder to utilize which is why little miatas and lotuses frequently post times better than all out Evos and STIs.

I agree the GTR is an amazing car and I would pick it over the 350 ANYDAY.

The point is RacerCub is always going on about how great he is at track events and how much experience he has, and now he's gloating about how he was 'feeling sorry for' the newbie, because the newbie only beat him by a little.


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You have clearly missed the point.

RacerCub was at an AutoX. the GTR is optimized for high speed tracks or mixed tracks. On AutoX, the AWD is much harder to utilize which is why little miatas and lotuses frequently post times better than all out Evos and STIs.

I agree the GTR is an amazing car and I would pick it over the 350 ANYDAY.

The point is RacerCub is always going on about how great he is at track events and how much experience he has, and now he's gloating about how he was 'feeling sorry for' the newbie, because the newbie only beat him by a little.
It was the kid that was gloating, not Racer. At some point, if someone continues to act like an immature azz (aka GTR boy), I think it wise to just shut him up so people don't have to listen or see his borish behavior.

Lastly, you run what you brung. If the kid got beat on an autoX, he got beat fair & square. And that crap about being optomized for an AutoX is just that, crap. NO car is dialied for some cone course...some just happen to perform better on them than others. The kid ran his car, ran his mouth, and ran out of excuses when a real driver beat him in a "lesser" car (not that a manual 350 is a poor peformer by any means). A timed event is Driver + Car, not just Car.

Racer, good job.

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Autocross and road tracks are different. Cars like the Elise, Mini's do extremely well on autocross b/c it's all about lighter weight and handling. GTR, although a great and fast car isn't build for autocross, just too heavy. Road courses are a different story, especially ones that you can build up speed like the Nurburgring. I've read many reviews on the GTR, with it's computer gadgets, it's an easy car to go fast, even if you are a novice, the computer will correct your mistakes so it's no surprised that a kid is fast. I've heard many stories about beginners in a GTR going to the track for the first time and get respectable times. The problem with that is it hides your mistake, get into a Porsche or a Corvette and try to drive that way, you might end up in a wall. Still have to respect the GTR for what it is, it's fast and it makes you comfortable going fast.

What you all miss is that our autocross is not Miata friendly, unless you have a big-ass turbo. The president drives a V8 Vantage. The course designer a Z06 and a GT3. Our courses are high horsepower tracks. In fact, the GT3 and a modified Lotus Elise tied for FTD, which would not happen on a tighter track.

The main point is, I KNOW the GT-R is a much faster car, and it wasn't about being rude to a newbie it was more about the fact that he made fun of my car and in the end, it paid him back. However, as I said, we ended up giving him a trophy anyway to make him feel better.

It was all about my Pride in my SLK, not my racing skill, not direct Nurburgring comparisons, but about the SLK shining that day, at least in my eyes. So, Cyber, et. al., get over it.

Well, it was part about my racing skill. Finding out I was only 2 seconds out on the car's abilities, not the 4 or 5 I was worried I was, made me happy I am improving. That part had nothing to do with the GT-R.

PS: My SLK is 100 lbs. heavier than his GT-R is. We checked. I have every option (but auto and AMG kit). His fully loaded weight was 3,760, mine is 3,840 (and considering he can have 2 more 120 lbs. bodies to make 3,700 loaded, that means his car might be even lighter!) Add to that the driver weighed 100 lbs. less than me (115 vs. my 214.) So the SLK is more NOT THE AUTOCROSS CAR than the GT-R.
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Lastly, you run what you brung. If the kid got beat on an autoX, he got beat fair & square.
I usually respect your posts, but it's time for you to work on reading comprehension. RacerCub states that the GTR posted a better time.

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And that crap about being optomized for an AutoX is just that, crap. NO car is dialied for some cone course...some just happen to perform better on them than others. The kid ran his car, ran his mouth, and ran out of excuses when a real driver beat him in a "lesser" car (not that a manual 350 is a poor peformer by any means). A timed event is Driver + Car, not just Car.
Cars can definitely be setup for cone courses. Just look at all the Minis and Miatas with adjustable suspensions and the people that spend time trying to dial them in whenever they re-lay the cones. AWD takes significantly more skill to use on a small tight course. RWD gives you much more play.


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I usually respect your posts, but it's time for you to work on reading comprehension. RacerCub states that the GTR posted a better time.



Cars can definitely be setup for cone courses. Just look at all the Minis and Miatas with adjustable suspensions and the people that spend time trying to dial them in whenever they re-lay the cones. AWD takes significantly more skill to use on a small tight course. RWD gives you much more play.
Racer also posted his SLK350 posted a faster time the the GTR by 2 full seconds with his friend Brad driving. As I've mentioned, it's a combo of the car & driver, not just the car. The GTR/driver combo lost to the SLK350 "Brad" driver combo. The kid still got beat (as I stated) which was the point of the post - the kid was gloating & got rightfully silenced.

There are cars with adjustable suspensions both from the factory & aftermarket set ups. And there are also people that run racing slicks which give a huge advantage. So what? Maybe the GTR kid should have installed a set of racing slicks, or removed the rear seats, dropped in a lighter battery, or gone to a +1 set up? It just doesn't matter...it's irrelavant. You run what ya brung. The kid gloated, the kid lost, end of story.
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Great story..
When you are racing / autox'n experience is the most valuable tool imo...

Drag race'n is a little different tho. haha
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Racer also posted his SLK350 posted a faster time the the GTR by 2 full seconds with his friend Brad driving. As I've mentioned, it's a combo of the car & driver, not just the car. The GTR/driver combo lost to the SLK350 "Brad" driver combo. The kid still got beat (as I stated) which was the point of the post - the kid was gloating & got rightfully silenced.

You run what ya brung. The kid gloated, the kid lost, end of story.
You've still missed the point, bringing in a near professional racer is not the same. That's why they are in a different class. And my Minivan would be faster than the GTR and the SLK 350 with the Stig at the helm, so what? what's the point of racing if you just point out someone else's score and say "well I COULD have beat you if i was a better driver".


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I think a point was showed to the GTR owner that they aren't a very good driver. ha. This obviously irritated them.

It actually sounds like something that would happen to me if I was in the GTR. I wouldn't feel bad, but just wish I had the better driving skills of you guys.

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The point was, the SLK put up a good showing, and made me a proud Daddy...
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The point was, the SLK put up a good showing, and made me a proud Daddy...
See, if you had made that clear, i wouldn't have had anything to say except "yes" or 'Thanks'.


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