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SLK55 AMG Black vs Kleeman

Yes, i know what you're thinking, i wish it was a video of the above topic too! :P

Just a random topic and more of an out on my part but i've got to ask, why do people automatically assume that the "Black Series" is better. In terms of the CLK Black... i love it and it is a 63, but when it comes down to the SLK and the Black Series, i'd rather take the Kleeman Upgrade.

It's not all about top speed for me, the 55 and the SLK in general is about so much more... But simply put why pay so much for a SLK55 Black Series, when you can have the Kleeman with all the extras and the vario roof.

Just quick stats for those that are not familiar with the two:
Kleeman: 300 km/h (198 mph)
SLK 55 AMG Black: 278 km/h (173mph)

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300kmh is electronically limited, you can ask them to unlock it. I've got all of the upgrades minus the camshafts and supercharger, I wanted to basically make mine a faster Naturally aspirated setup whilst having substantial gains in torque down low ( lots of wheel spin on stock conti's) and more power on the top end. The upgrades are expensive and thats the deal with mercedes tuners, its not like corvette's or camaro's were the majority of owners are speculated to fiddle with the cars aesthetics, exhaust system and modify.

I my self would rather have my SLK over the Black series because:

I have all of the amenities that I need, airscarf, heating and open folding roof whilst the black series might be lighter but compromises on what the SLK is really made for, pure open top experience in comfort and full refinement,

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Yea, i actually saw watched some reviews on the Black Series and have been reading up on the Kleeman as well as the Brabus and even though Mercedes put tons of money into R&D for the Black and while it may be for a slightly different market (CSL, GT3 etc..) or purpose, i feel that having those "extras" are important too.

Somehow the full kleeman conversion seems a bit overkill though... crazy horsepower at crazy speeds.
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I think if you take a search around the site you will see that the Black is not highly respected around here and a Kleemann would eat it for breakfast any day of the week, the Black has to be seen for what it is - a marketing exercise.

If MB/AMG where serious about making Black Series car's for the track and not just to say they are for the track then they would build a stripped out uber C class but trying to take the SLK and pass it off as a track monster that will eat anything in its path doesn't fly with the people who know the score.

I would say to anybody thinking about the Black DON'T DO IT!, buy a standard 55 and have a Kleemann/Renntech upgrade done for the same money, you can also have Brabus mods but to get the S/C level power from them costs much more.
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Dan from the way I see it the SLK55 BS is a marketing gimmick unlike the CLK63 Black series which is over priced but worth it considering how its a very comfortable track car, has plenty of power and can be used as a daily driver. Clarkson says its the best car he is has driven, he loved it. They've released a SL65 BS but that with its power is a SuperCar, too powerful for the track.

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I have to disagree mate, i respect Clarkson's views and his experience but i don't really take his comments with regard track performance on board since by his own admission he is a 'middle-aged fat man', if a racing driver where to make similar comments fair enough but they haven't.

I was put off the CLK BS when i took a lot at the facts and figures, what i see is a car that despite having seats ripped out and giving a stripped down look actually weighs MORE than a non-black CLK, with figures like that i cannot accept its claims.

I stand by what i said about a C class and in fact would take that further and say a modified C63 with basic weight reduction work would take a CLK63 Black like it was standing still and i bet it could do it with 4 seats.
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I have to disagree mate, i respect Clarkson's views and his experience but i don't really take his comments with regard track performance on board since by his own admission he is a 'middle-aged fat man', if a racing driver where to make similar comments fair enough but they haven't.
Dan not that I disagree with your sentement, if for no other reason than I haven't driven either car, but Clarkson did say that "The Stig" also raved about the CLK and that boy certainly can drive, whoever he may be!
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I have to disagree mate, i respect Clarkson's views and his experience but i don't really take his comments with regard track performance on board since by his own admission he is a 'middle-aged fat man', if a racing driver where to make similar comments fair enough but they haven't.

I was put off the CLK BS when i took a lot at the facts and figures, what i see is a car that despite having seats ripped out and giving a stripped down look actually weighs MORE than a non-black CLK, with figures like that i cannot accept its claims.

I stand by what i said about a C class and in fact would take that further and say a modified C63 with basic weight reduction work would take a CLK63 Black like it was standing still and i bet it could do it with 4 seats.
Those are some good pointers, the C63 if memory serves me right has the front end of the CLK63 BS and the U.S seats which are offered on the CLK63 BS since those dont come with Bucket seats.

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Ben Collins i believe, thing is what is he comparing it to? If he is using a CLK63 as the baseline fair enough but otherwise its kind of like saying yeah my RS focus is real quick but then somebody sits you down in a 911 Turbo and you crap yourself.

He might think the standard CLK is ****e and i will respect his view on that but on the other hand he might like it just as much you know what i mean.
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Not really SLK news but I think this may say a little towards the topic co-incidentally
:P Maybe Kleeman saw what we were talking about j/k

Did you know that Kleemann is a Danish tuning company based in uhm, Denmark? Did you know they have an office in the US of A, and that they export their products to over 40 other countries? Did you know that Kleemann felt that the Mercedes-Benz CLK 63 AMG Black Series was not enough? Imagine that! What’s not enough exactly? A few things really. One of them is power. These days any old kitchen mechanic can wring out 507bhp out of a car, no big deal. Kleemann felt this number could be challenged, not too madly but enough to worry the tarmac about all that melting rubber.

In order to do this Kleemann provided the CLK with a kit consisting of a set of high flow exhaust manifolds with matching downpipes and 200-cell steel sport catalysts, and a remapped engine ECU. For their troubles they were rewarded with an extra 38bhp, taking the unit up to 545 ponies. Torque is 675Nm. Power goes to the 20” tyres fitted at the back, which measure 305/25 and 11” wide, while front axle has to do with 10” wide with 255/30 tyres. The standard gearbox was not messed with, so it remains, along with the awesome driveability of the CLK 63 AMG Black Series. By the way, this special kit is codenamed Kleemann 63-K2 and can be fitted into any of the 63 AMG cars on the road today. Can we get some performance figures please...

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum...s-kleeman.html

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I would take the black series. I really don't care about the convertible top as much, and would prefer the weight savings from a carbon roof and interior.

HP is so easy to add afterwards, from Kleeman or Brabus or Renntech, but after going through this kind of project myself, i think the differences from AMG is worth it. A fair estimate to do the same amount of work that AMG did, would be around $40,000 from the aftermarket....plus 25% markup because it's labeled AMG, and the Black is priced just about right.

Could it be done cheaper? possibly, but not without cutting a lot of corners.


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I have to disagree mate, i respect Clarkson's views and his experience but i don't really take his comments with regard track performance on board since by his own admission he is a 'middle-aged fat man', if a racing driver where to make similar comments fair enough but they haven't.

I was put off the CLK BS when i took a lot at the facts and figures, what i see is a car that despite having seats ripped out and giving a stripped down look actually weighs MORE than a non-black CLK, with figures like that i cannot accept its claims.

I stand by what i said about a C class and in fact would take that further and say a modified C63 with basic weight reduction work would take a CLK63 Black like it was standing still and i bet it could do it with 4 seats.
I have to agree with Dan. I drive the SLK55 in a track environment and have ridden with the lead instructor in his GT3 (Wow!). The current SLK is competitive (if driven correctly) and I have tried to give other GT3's a run for their money, but they are more powerful, have better tires.

But here is where the SLK is at the top end and the CLK BS is not a track car.
  1. Too big
  2. Too heavy
  3. Tires are too big
  4. You waste all that hp pushing all that weight around
I can add track tires and keep with the GT3 (at least in my dreams), with a driver who is not a professional, but has the money to buy one.

I can add the Kleeman S/C and get the same horsepower as the GT3 and one day, keep up with a professionally driven GT3. Then it comes down to which car handles better and which driver can drive better.
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F11F in all respect, the Kleemann S/C clearly pushes your cars power to 500hp alone, when added with the camshafts and headers your looking for 550hp. The Gt3 has 415hp.

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but it's not all about HP (even though it's important), the SLK is too heavy in front (well all around really) and is also setup for aggressive understeer.


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But clearly it can hold it's own with 'superior' car's from the various track reports we have had so its weight and steering setup can't hinder it that much can they mate?

And what makes you think the CLK Black would be any better? Its still heavy (the heavier one of them all in fact) and setup to understeer, I'm struggling to see any justification for the CLK to be honest.

If we think about cars on the market at the moment then the real choice from the 'prestige' brands is the BMW M3, it loves tracks.
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Well i can say for a fact that even the new M3 (e92 model) may be 'heavy' but its quite agile and as Dan pointed out it does love the track.

I tend to disagree with the SLK being too "heavy" in front. It may feel a bit odd but it can be controlled easily.

But back to the topic :P Judging by things i'm glad to see there's a view in favour of Kleeman and Brabus - However i have noted that the full upgrades can be pretty pricey.
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This thread sums up AMG,s and many mercedes clientel Im afraid (really no offence to the better informed on this forum), the pros and cons of black vs std or kleeman are apparently benchmarked on power. Whilst Im happy the slk 55 is a nice road car it is only that, a true track car is made of different DNA Im afraid. I have owned many track cars and competed in them and the current AMG will never be a track car. Black is a poor option because it builds on whats poor and denigrates whats good, it still has an auto box and the crummy silicon overlord in a car that purports to be the serious drivers choice, mercedes arent really serious, as Dan says its marketing bull.
Mainstream track cars have Porsche, Fezza, Lotus, lambo, Noble etc DNA but other than Porsche perhaps are hard to live with on the road. So buy a track car for tracks and an AMG for the road - Oh thats what i did
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Just on a quick note on the whole modification story, anyone interested in modifications and some "taking the mickey out of it" check out Clarkson's Full Throttle.

Pretty old show but he does feature a Brabus SLK R170 in there with a 6.5 litre engine
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This thread sums up AMG,s and many mercedes clientel Im afraid (really no offence to the better informed on this forum), the pros and cons of black vs std or kleeman are apparently benchmarked on power. Whilst Im happy the slk 55 is a nice road car it is only that, a true track car is made of different DNA Im afraid. I have owned many track cars and competed in them and the current AMG will never be a track car. Black is a poor option because it builds on whats poor and denigrates whats good, it still has an auto box and the crummy silicon overlord in a car that purports to be the serious drivers choice, mercedes arent really serious, as Dan says its marketing bull.
Mainstream track cars have Porsche, Fezza, Lotus, lambo, Noble etc DNA but other than Porsche perhaps are hard to live with on the road. So buy a track car for tracks and an AMG for the road - Oh thats what i did
Agree,

But it is so much fun to pass the Porsche's, Lotus, Noblels, Ferrari's on the track whilst in my humble MB! But as an instructor pointed out, those guys should be able to humble me in those cars, which makes the victory even sweeter.
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nothing beats trashing a porsche, corvette, fezza or lambo in a Benz on the road i tell ya.. especially when its a 4 door vs. "sport" car...
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