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Is 396 horsepower enough for you?

MERCEDES TARGETS STARTER AMG OWNERS WITH STILL-WAY-TOO-FAST AMG43 MODELS



You may not realize it, but legendary powerhouse muscle cars like the Pontiac GTO didn't necessarily come equipped with the mack-daddy engines commonly associated with them. That's why you could buy a '70 GTO with a plenty-hot 400 cubic-inch big block rather than the 455.



And you could get a '69 Plymouth Road Runner with a 383 in place of the famous 426 Hemi. That 383 in my high school neighbor's Road Runner was still more than fast enough to have killed up both.

The presence of these less powerful versions of such classic cars has done nothing to dilute their status as performance icons because even the lower-level powerplants were more than respectable in their muscle, and offering them let manufacturers sell even more of the popular go-fast models.

This is the thinking behind the new "43" series of models that Mercedes-AMG is offering. These cars recognize that not every buyer who appreciates the style, handling and performance of an AMG car has to have all of the horsepower to be thrilled by the car. Most of the horsepower will do.

AMG's 43s are twin-turbocharged "bi-turbos" in Mercedes-speak, but they are V6 engines rather than the 603-horsepower "63" V8s or 621-horsepower "65" V12s. These V6 engines are still hand-assembled, with the builder's signature right there on the identification plate atop the engine. JB edit: Nope. see my post below, Sorry Daniel



The "43" engines are bolted in most of the various models in the AMG line, including the C-Class, E-Class, SLC, GLC and GLE. Naturally, they incorporate the usual AMG-grade brakes, wheels, tires, and suspension parts, along with gingerbread inside and out to set the cars apart visually. A small bit of that gingerbread is eye-catching red seatbelts that are unique among the AMG cars to the 43 models.

Will traditionalists decry the deployment of V6 engines in AMG models for lacking the requisite oomph. Maybe. But if so, they need to consider that the 3.0-liter twin turbo V6 engine produces 362 horsepower and 384 lb.-ft. of torque.
The E55 AMG of 2000, with its 5.0-liter V8 engine was a key contributor to the stellar reputation AMG enjoys today. At the time, Motor Trend pronounced it "the greatest sport sedan ever to ride the face of the earth-a musclebound testament to the tuning acumen of AMG."

That car's engine was rated at 349 horsepower, and 391 lb.-ft. of torque, which puts today's 43 models solidly in line with that car's performance. It happens that the E43 has a newer version of the V6 that is rated at 396 horsepower and 384 lb.-ft., and the other models seem sure to follow when they are refreshed.

Because not everyone needs all of the horsepower, but a few more are surely appreciated. My friend's '69 Road Runner 383 managed to get us in plenty of trouble with a horsepower rating of 335.
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Purists will also be disappointed to learn that the hand-built, one engineer / one engine philosophy that guided past AMG models is nowhere to be found with the SLC 43, as the drivetrain is pulled off the standard production line before being stuffed into the convertible.

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The 43 needs a new nose.

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There is no such thing as too much horses. So if a compressor for the 2012-2016 AMG was being put forward, I would be seriously interested. Of course if the twin turbo V8 of the C class would make into the SLK, I would be all for it!
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Personally, I'm not impressed and my next automobile will probably be a "well loved" R172 SLK 55
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This just seems like MB shouting about figures and numbers, trying to justify not putting a V8 into the SLC.

Tell me, does this 'AMG'43 sound anything like an SLK55 when you push the pedal through the carpet ?

Thought not.

Anyway, as @JudgeMing says, 'There is no such thing as too much horses'
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Schwarzie is still faster (and lighter) than that 426 hemi (although I must confess I do like the looks though as I am an honest "baby boomer")

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But does it matter?

It does to anyone looking for the new 55 that isn't there.

It wouldn't matter if all the numbers, handling were exactly the same for the two engines.
It's the V8 bit.

No matter the model there is always some who will not like it.

But some of the folk here who have gone the 43 way seem very happy with their buy.
And that's also part of what we want, isn't it.
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Park 50 SLKs in a car park and you are still hard pressed to find two the same.

Park 50 Fur Harrys in a car park and spot the difference.

Maybe it is just a clever marketing ploy to push the V8 lovers to the even more expensive V8 models.

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thing is though that it's not all about the power - it's about the noise and 'feel' too. I want a car that (figuratively) feels like it's set its hair on fair and gone charging down the road - I don't want a t.t.V6.... doesn't excite me in the same visceral fashion
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I personally think the new SLC43 might be a little underrated at the moment. A good Biturbo V6 is nothing to scoff at- heck, just look at the 1990s Supra and 300ZX, with a little bit of work they'll put down 6-800 HP all day long. I'd be willing to bet that the SLC is a couple hard parts and a good tune away from 425-450 HP, possibly more. In a car this small and (relatively) light, that power level would absolutely make it a world-class car. It's only a matter of time, in my eyes, until someone figures out the magic power formula. Goodness knows that the same power level in my SLK32 is more than enough to keep me happy in a car that's originally just meant for cruising in the sunshine.
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