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carbon fiber laminate vs wrap?

last post of the day knowing that i have school in the morning...but ive been looking for any carbon fiber parts for my 2006 amg slk and ive always known that carbon fiber wrapping is always a good choice but in my head its looked fake and flat...

looking at some cars online...i later saw cars with carbon fiber wraps that looked like the real deal...they have a very glossy look to them and have the great carbon fiber print...

so heres my main question...what is the most REALISTIC looking carbon fiber wrap...ive heard 3m 1080 is good but im looking for that REAL glossy carbon fiber look....the closest the actual carbon fiber....

Also, on a side note....what is carbon fiber laminate and is it different from wrap?
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From the Composite Store:

"Laminates are cured rectangular carbon-epoxy strips with a high fiber-to-resin ratio. The carbon fibers are oriented the length of the strip for maximum strength. "

Laminates contain carbon fiber, usually bonded to a substrate. Like working with fiberglass, these products are designed to be layered onto a surface using epoxy or resin and then vacuumed into place. Laminates are also used to make parts from scratch. My guess is that if you're not experienced with working with fiberglass, you probably don't want to attempt "true" carbon-fiber.

Vinyl (not really a "wrap", but can wrap around curves to an extent), like the 3M Product, have no carbon-fiber and are a vinyl applique that is textured like carbon fiber. The 3M product is easy to work with and comes in a variety of colors and finishes, including gloss. The results I've seen are pretty impressive. In fact, I'm planning on doing my wood-trim on my SLK32.

Hope this helps...heck, I hope it's accurate.
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last post of the day knowing that i have school in the morning...but ive been looking for any carbon fiber parts for my 2006 amg slk and ive always known that carbon fiber wrapping is always a good choice but in my head its looked fake and flat...

looking at some cars online...i later saw cars with carbon fiber wraps that looked like the real deal...they have a very glossy look to them and have the great carbon fiber print...

so heres my main question...what is the most REALISTIC looking carbon fiber wrap...ive heard 3m 1080 is good but im looking for that REAL glossy carbon fiber look....the closest the actual carbon fiber....

Also, on a side note....what is carbon fiber laminate and is it different from wrap?


There are some CF add ons on ebay but the prices make your eyes water

For example

Mercedes R171 SLK R230 SL Carbon fibre mirror covers | eBay
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ive heard 3m 1080 is good but im looking for that REAL glossy carbon fiber look....
I've heard that 3M 1080 has more gloss than the Di-Noc. You can check with the seller.


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From the Composite Store:

"Laminates are cured rectangular carbon-epoxy strips with a high fiber-to-resin ratio. The carbon fibers are oriented the length of the strip for maximum strength. "

Laminates contain carbon fiber, usually bonded to a substrate. Like working with fiberglass, these products are designed to be layered onto a surface using epoxy or resin and then vacuumed into place. Laminates are also used to make parts from scratch. My guess is that if you're not experienced with working with fiberglass, you probably don't want to attempt "true" carbon-fiber.

Vinyl (not really a "wrap", but can wrap around curves to an extent), like the 3M Product, have no carbon-fiber and are a vinyl applique that is textured like carbon fiber. The 3M product is easy to work with and comes in a variety of colors and finishes, including gloss. The results I've seen are pretty impressive. In fact, I'm planning on doing my wood-trim on my SLK32.

Hope this helps...heck, I hope it's accurate.
THANK YOU! that helps a lot! this helps me clear up the confusion on laminate but if i do get parts wrapped on my car they will be done by somebody. with that im mind would you suggest getting a laminate or vinyl wrap done? Also i do know some places where i can get the wraps done but what kind of place could i get laminate done?
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THANK YOU! that helps a lot! this helps me clear up the confusion on laminate but if i do get parts wrapped on my car they will be done by somebody. with that im mind would you suggest getting a laminate or vinyl wrap done? Also i do know some places where i can get the wraps done but what kind of place could i get laminate done?
I'd go with the vinyl wrap. Check your local "custom" shops. They should be able to do it. If not, a vinyl graphics shop might be an option. By the way, 3M does make a gloss black in the Di-Noc product (CA-421GN – Gloss Black). Check out this site: Di-Noc
There's a video near the middle of the page that shows more detail.
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THANK YOU! that helps a lot! this helps me clear up the confusion on laminate but if i do get parts wrapped on my car they will be done by somebody. with that im mind would you suggest getting a laminate or vinyl wrap done? Also i do know some places where i can get the wraps done but what kind of place could i get laminate done?

Only folks I know of are in the UK - Carbon Fibre Supplies, Carbon Fiber Sheet and High Performance Carbon Fibre Products - Carbon Mods - and they do *excellent* work. They also sell kits to DIY, but it's not nearly as easy as it looks - Louise and I both had a go, and while the results were acceptable, the amount of time involved is huge.

I'd also go with vinyl wrap - I've seen some that looks "better" that real CF parts!



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I'd go with the vinyl wrap. Check your local "custom" shops. They should be able to do it. If not, a vinyl graphics shop might be an option. By the way, 3M does make a gloss black in the Di-Noc product (CA-421GN – Gloss Black). Check out this site: Di-Noc
There's a video near the middle of the page that shows more detail.
WOW thank you so much! those wraps look great and the gloss black looks very realistic...so if i bought the roll could i go to a local "custom" shop and they could do it for me? and also what is a di-noc and how is it different from just 3m vinyl?? trying to figure this out haha
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Only folks I know of are in the UK - Carbon Fibre Supplies, Carbon Fiber Sheet and High Performance Carbon Fibre Products - Carbon Mods - and they do *excellent* work. They also sell kits to DIY, but it's not nearly as easy as it looks - Louise and I both had a go, and while the results were acceptable, the amount of time involved is huge.

I'd also go with vinyl wrap - I've seen some that looks "better" that real CF parts!
Yeah i wanted to find many parts in carbon fiber for my amg r171 but some parts are very hard to find like a good looking carbon fiber diffuser and carbon fiber bumper inserts...so i decided to go all in one way and get everything i wanted in carbon vinyl wrapped...just wanted to find the most realistic looking vinyl
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WOW thank you so much! those wraps look great and the gloss black looks very realistic...so if i bought the roll could i go to a local "custom" shop and they could do it for me? and also what is a di-noc and how is it different from just 3m vinyl?? trying to figure this out haha
I can't speak for what a shop would or would not do. My guess is they would want to sell you the vinyl and then install it.

Di-Noc is a self-adhesive vinyl with "architectural finishes". It was originally developed for the automotive industry to make "woody" cars (make your own jokes). Rather than being just imprinted with a finish, the product has a 3D surface which mimics natural and man-made finishes, like wood, stone and carbon fiber. With the use of a heat gun or hair dryer, Di-Noc can be stretched around a variety of curved surfaces.

It's designed to be a DIY product. Check out this video.


You may want to try doing a small area to see if you can get good results. Of course you'll save money, but you'll also get the satisfactions of "hand crafting" your parts (okay another spot for jokes).

If 3M doesn't offer me a job after this, I'm going to be ticked off!
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They use Di-noc on full size clay models of car bodies to make it look like its been spray painted & to check the surface for light lines etc, so they just peel Di-noc back rework the clay & then lay the Di-noc back over again .

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COOL! I wonder if Di-Noc would work on my face?
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To see some picks of laminate installed.

https://www.slkworld.com/general-modi...r-cf-pics.html
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