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AMG engines in Aston Martins (including M152?)

Apparently they're going to be putting AMG engines in Aston Martins, including speculation on the M152.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=29101

"We speculated earlier in the week this might be the under-utilised normally aspirated 5.5-litre V8 we recently enjoyed in the SLK55 but growing pressure for downsizing from markets like China may mean Aston joining AMG in adopting smaller engines."

Does this make the Aston less desirable? More desirable? It will certainly make them faster .

And does this dilute the AMG brand?
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I honestly thought for Australia atleast where most amg's incl the slk 55's were about $150K AUD +, and all of a sudden introduce A45/CLA45 here were it costs $85K AUD were diluting the brand...

Aston wise...hm..i hope they still sound like astons
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Zonda's been using AMG engines for a number of years - does that dilute the brand? :P




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Apparently they're going to be putting AMG engines in Aston Martins, including speculation on the M152.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=29101

"We speculated earlier in the week this might be the under-utilised normally aspirated 5.5-litre V8 we recently enjoyed in the SLK55 but growing pressure for downsizing from markets like China may mean Aston joining AMG in adopting smaller engines."

Does this make the Aston less desirable? More desirable? It will certainly make them faster .

And does this dilute the AMG brand?


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Apparently they're going to be putting AMG engines in Aston Martins, including speculation on the M152.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=29101

"We speculated earlier in the week this might be the under-utilised normally aspirated 5.5-litre V8 we recently enjoyed in the SLK55 but growing pressure for downsizing from markets like China may mean Aston joining AMG in adopting smaller engines."

Does this make the Aston less desirable? More desirable? It will certainly make them faster .

And does this dilute the AMG brand?
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/19/m...v8-going-away/

If the M157 is not long for this world, then its turbo-less version M152 is probably history, too.
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Zonda's been using AMG engines for a number of years - does that dilute the brand? :P
Well on these shores my chances of running into a Zonda are nil, but I do see the occasional Aston Martin, including the Vantage V8, which hypothetically would be a good recipient for the M152.

Now this would be awkward for both the other driver and me if we had the same engine. Him, because he paid double what I did for the same performance. Me, because AMG has farmed-out their product. Just being able to buy an AMG engine from three different car manufacturers seems dilutive.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/19/m...v8-going-away/

If the M157 is not long for this world, then its turbo-less version M152 is probably history, too.
Regarding the rumored demise of the 5.5 - my primary reason for thinking that Mercedes will keep the M152 alive for a couple of years is that it is one of the cornerstones of their "AMG Performance 2015" corporate initiative. It would seem silly to me that after road-mapping it out, that they would switch out the engine before then.

http://m.mercedes-amg.com/pdf/eng/ro...ability_en.pdf
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Nah, he paid for the looks and the comfort - and has no idea what's under the hood other than that it makes a nice noise!


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Now this would be awkward for both the other driver and me if we had the same engine. Him, because he paid double what I did for the same performance. Me, because AMG has farmed-out their product. Just being able to buy an AMG engine from three different car manufacturers seems dilutive.


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I don't see how an engine being used in a brand with greater cachet has anything other than a positive effect on AMG. And if the engines provide a better package for AM owners, then it's all good.
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I don't see how an engine being used in a brand with greater cachet has anything other than a positive effect on AMG. And if the engines provide a better package for AM owners, then it's all good.
Couldn't agree more. The M158 that AMG builds specifically for Pagani for their $1.3 million Huayra is an improved version of the M275 used in AMG's 65-series cars. R&D for hyper-cars will eventually trickle down to less stratified levels.
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Nah, he paid for the looks and the comfort - and has no idea what's under the hood other than that it makes a nice noise!

Oi, thats wrong.

Seems really wierd to find this thread here, I've been on Aston Martin forums for the last three years, its interesting to see the same subject discussed from the other side of the partnership.

My view is that nobody worries about the gearbox in their cars, its become a commodity item, or the ECU, or the ABS, or a whole host of components that are shared across multiple cars, so why should we care about the engine, if it delivers the performance that we want.

AMG has a really good reputation for engines, so why not use them in other cars, if its adapted or properly suited to that car.

AM engines are massively reliable (part of the Ford legacy, they punish those engines so hard during their development that they are incredibly strong and reliable). But I have to say they aren't particularly economical. I get 14mpg if I drive properly, maybe 20mpg if I drive slowly. I once emptied a quarter of a tankful in 15 minutes .

AMG engines are reliable, powerful and economical, and that takes serious money to achieve. Aston Martin can't afford that investment on their own.

The AM 4.7 delivers the same power as the AMG 5.5, so that does look like a good start point.

I do know what is under the hood (although its a bonnet, because its British), and had mine upgraded from 420bhp to 460bhp, with a big uplift in torque, and a switch that allows me to drive sensibly past my neighbours, then sound like a complete lunatic once I'm out of earshot. I absolutely love it

And I sacrificed comfort for performance with manual transmission, optional sports suspension, and carbon fibre seats, this is a car to fire up the adrenaline, and it does
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Well this sort of thing has been a cornerstone of the of the car industry for years & years . When you hear that the newest Ford KA is based on the Flat 500 which is based on the Flat Panda & so on ,but you do not see that in the glossy PR stuff . The DB7 was based on the XJS cut down under frame . Jag X type is Jag on the outside & Ford on the inside . In my books as long as they badge the engine as a AMG & not just make some new engines covers with AM on the top its all good , Maybe they could just put a bit of black tape over the 'G' that should sort it Lolz .

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I would feel a bit cheated if the AMG 5.5 in an AM sounded better than in an AMG SLK - and I fear that's exactly what will happen if AM use that powerplant.

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I agree with you Random , the SLK exhaust would be very basic compared to what they put on an Aston (ok the R172 has the flaps) , looking at the price tags Aston has abit more money to spend on there .

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And AM does have a sound engineer that is employed solely to make the cars sound great.

There is much more to this than you might think, but whoever he/she is, they seem to be very talented
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If they maintain the cylinder deactivation, AM will have to tackle that 4 cylinder drone too.

I imagine the best approach would be to tune the exhaust with flaps fully open to sound good (like the r171 55 does) and then program the flaps to partially/fully close in 4 cylinder mode.

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Hey all for abit of flap action .

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I was gutted when slk55nor finally found a way to have the flaps open all the time, and I did it and it didn't sound better than stock.

I get exhaust envy everytime I hear a flapless r171 55

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