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Motorists caught speeding are to face tougher penalties from next week when new sentencing guidelines take effect.
Drivers responsible for the most serious speeding offences will be handed harsher fines, under a series of strict new rules for district judges and magistrates, designed to make drivers "think twice".
At the moment the most you can be fined for speeding is £1,000, but on April 24 this is will be more than doubled to £2,500.
The changes are part of a consultation in 2016 that argued previous guidelines did not properly take into account the potential harm of speeding - and the risks it poses to the public.
District judge Richard Williams, a sentencing council member, said: "The magistrates' courts deal with the vast majority of offenders in England and Wales, so it is essential that the guidelines they use are up to date and help ensure that sentences are applied consistently and effectively."
Breakdown recovery firm the RAC has welcomed the new ruling - and says it will benefit everyone.
Spokesman Pete Williams said: "Anyone who breaks the limit excessively is a danger to every other road user and is unnecessarily putting lives at risk.
"Hopefully, hitting these offenders harder in the pocket will make them think twice before doing it again in the future."
Louise Ellman, chair of the Commons Transport Committee said the enforcement will help tackle the declining number of dedicated road traffic police officers, which she describes as a "real concern".


What's changing?

From 24 April 2017, a new higher penalty will be introduced.

Fines for motorists caught going well above the speed limit will start from 150% of their weekly income rather than the existing level of 100%.
For example, someone who is sentenced for driving at 101mph or faster in a 70mph zone will now be dealt with in a more severe bracket.
Drivers will also face points, or a disqualification depending on the offence.
The Sentencing Council said the move aims to ensure there is a "clear increase in penalty as the seriousness of offending increases".
Fines are determined in categories - a Band A fine is 50% of someone's weekly income, Band B is 100% and Band C is 150%.

Who is affected?

The guidelines apply to all motorists and come into force on April 24, regardless of the date of the offence.

Who decided this?

The Sentencing Council held a consultation last year.
The Sentencing Council for England and Wales was set up to promote greater transparency and consistency in sentencing, whilst maintaining the independence of the judiciary.


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Hmm... yet another way of extracting money from the better off perhaps?

A weezing 1.0L Ford Fiesta driven by Joe Wheresmybenefits, isn't going to be busting the 70 limit by a whole lot, so will avoid the ton-plus penalty and will pay less in fines anyway if it did manage to find a downhill straight long enough to get up there. Won't stop him driving the car to its maximum everywhere he goes, being a proper menace in 30's and 40's limits.

Meanwhile Jeremy Wellheeled in his SLK that can easily do more than double the 70 limit, gets pummelled because he stretches the car's legs on an empty motorway or empty stretch of A road (like there is any of that these days anyway) that just happens to have a speed camera. His fine will reflect that he has worked hard at school to gain a decent education, managed to get a decent job that pays for him to have a decent lifestyle that includes a decent car. Doesn't sound like justice to me, unless Jeremy is landed gentry of course, in which case they should crush his car, lock him up and throw away the key! Bourgeois git!

The fine should be (and perhaps will be) based on the proportion over the speed limit across the board. So 45 in a 30 limit being 50% over the limit attracts the same level of fine/penalty as 105 does in a 70 limit.

I followed an idiot this morning that clearly drives at 45mph everywhere. Friggin' menace and a real danger on the road, but I bet he thinks he's a safe driver.

They also need to properly come down on drivers that jump red traffic signals. This is happening more and more around here.

Breaking the speed limit is in the first instance only a technical infringement. It's only a safety problem if it's done in the wrong place at the wrong time in a car that is teetering on the edge of its performance envelope. But... it's very easy to measure and prosecute, and hard to argue against when people have been killed by a speeding idiot.

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I followed an idiot this morning that clearly drives at 45mph everywhere. Friggin' menace and a real danger on the road, but I bet he thinks he's a safe driver.

On of my pet hates.

They also need to properly come down on drivers that jump red traffic signals. This is happening more and more around here.

Had a close encounter with someone who did that yesterday. I'd already started pulling into the junction on the green light when he careered through the red light across my bow and away.

Breaking the speed limit is in the first instance only a technical infringement. It's only a safety problem if it's done in the wrong place at the wrong time in a car that is teetering on the edge of its performance envelope. But... it's very easy to measure and prosecute, and hard to argue against when people have been killed by a speeding idiot.

Sums the problem up perfectly.

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Wish there was more action taken against middle lane hoggers on motorways. They are oblivious to the problems they cause.
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Florida has no speed cameras that I know of but we do have an increasing number of red light cameras (each must have a sign saying "photo enforced") $262 fine charged against the car, not the driver. Do remember Jeremy Clarkson holding up a mask when passing a camera. Does that work ?


ps Many years ago I was At Speed on a 2 lane blacktop in a Jag XK150s (gold head, triple carb) and passed a Beetle going the other way. Remember seeing in my mirror the VW driver fighting to keep from being blown off the road. That image has stuck with me "first, do no harm."
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Hmm... yet another way of extracting money from the better off perhaps?

A weezing 1.0L Ford Fiesta driven by Joe Wheresmybenefits, isn't going to be busting the 70 limit by a whole lot, so will avoid the ton-plus penalty and will pay less in fines anyway if it did manage to find a downhill straight long enough to get up there. Won't stop him driving the car to its maximum everywhere he goes, being a proper menace in 30's and 40's limits.

Meanwhile Jeremy Wellheeled in his SLK that can easily do more than double the 70 limit, gets pummelled because he stretches the car's legs on an empty motorway or empty stretch of A road (like there is any of that these days anyway) that just happens to have a speed camera. His fine will reflect that he has worked hard at school to gain a decent education, managed to get a decent job that pays for him to have a decent lifestyle that includes a decent car. Doesn't sound like justice to me, unless Jeremy is landed gentry of course, in which case they should crush his car, lock him up and throw away the key! Bourgeois git!
To be honest though, both Joe Wheresmybenefits and Jeremy Wellheeled plus Mark Middlemiddleclass, Martin Lowermiddleclass and Ian Uppermiddleclass (might as well include all socioecon groups to avoid upsetting anyone missed out or making sure that everyone is equally insulted !) could just drive at the speed limit and therefore avoid getting fined for breaking the law. Basically life is about risk taking and choice and speeding, regardless of the car you drive or your wealth, is no different. It just means now that the assessment of the risk has slightly higher consequences from now on.
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Max fine here (Ontario) is $10,000 CDN (about £ 5,800) PLUS 6 months jail time if convicted PLUS points PLUS license suspension PLUS insurance costs double (and they're too high now) PLUS loss of car for a week PLUS license suspension for a week (so you can't just go out and rent another car).

And people still speed.

You got it easy guy
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Like I said, it's hard to argue against speeding but it does beg the question; why are we driving around in cars that are capable of 150mph in a country that only permits a maximum speed of 70mph on the road?

I mean, I've been out on several sheep chases with folks from this very forum and we at all times were very careful to drive within the speed limits ... honest!

Edit - On a more serious note, I am a driver that sticks to a posted speed limit. So in a 30mph zone, I'm the guy at the front of the queue doing 30 driving everyone behind me up the wall. I do though like to make progress when I've passed the de-limiter sign.
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There is a place for everything. Have driven at both Sebring and the Daytona Continental (and a few other places, at one time had SCCA Nat'l, IMSA, and FIA licences). Photo was a bit over the ton.
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Ouch, next they are going to enable the Death Penalty like in Ohio for speeding! (cannon ball run reference)
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Wearing a mask won't help and would probably compound the issue somewhat. I can imagine that one would be charged with "attempting to pervert the course of justice".

In the U.K., speeding is a curious offence in that the registered owner of the vehicle is presumed guilty of the offence and is issue a speeding notice. They are then obliged to either accept/contest the prosecution or if they weren't driving the car, they have to notify the authorities and pass on the identity of who was actually was driving at the time. It's also not clear (to me at least) where the money goes.

FWIW, I've never raced, but have driven on circuits including Silverstone, Oulton Park, Le Mans (Bugatti) circuit) and Oscherslaben. I've also carried out many miles of testing at Millbrook and MIRA proving grounds over a period of more than 20-years and lived in Germany for a while where I was able to drive some quick cars down the Autobahn from time to time.
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Officer, it was stolen, but the chap was nice enough to bring it back!
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Aimed at the Chelsea blaggers perhaps.


Millionaire owners in supercars.


Most pedestrians, cyclists and such are hurt in 20, 30, 40 mph zones.
Surely, that is where you would target fines to be most severe if your goal is to save lives.


Income generation, however, is best aimed at 50 mph plus.


Still, if you don't work, nick somebody's car, get blinding drunk and fly through a 20mph school zone at kicking out time...
Points, or a ban on the license that you never had, a few hours community service and release to do it again.
And again.


Well, that's pretty fair, isn't it.

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it's all a bit camera-centric as well

the main road near me ( 4 lane d/c 40mph) is well-peppered with cameras. so the local sh*twits just drag race between the cameras. and if plod can spare a stilton butty to chase them, they come off the main drag and race around the residential streets. I see and hear them racing up our street, barely room between 2 sides of nose-to-tail parked cars, at anything their turbo-stratified fool-injected pimp-dealer hatchbacks will permit. easily over 60mph in conditions where 20mph is pushing your reaction time. and plod can't catch them in their panda cars.

sometimes I feel i should rent a bulldozer like Raf Vallone in the Italian Job.
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Max fine here (Ontario) is $10,000 CDN (about £ 5,800) PLUS 6 months jail time if convicted PLUS points PLUS license suspension PLUS insurance costs double (and they're too high now) PLUS loss of car for a week PLUS license suspension for a week (so you can't just go out and rent another car).

And people still speed.

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50kph over.................goodbye car .....on any road..gulp! Could be doing 130-150 on an open stretch of highway in Northern Ontario(best roads in the Province by far) and ......walking home I mean the amount of traffic on these northern routes is horrific






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Mind boggling the amount of money they have spent on the northern roads, especially Hwy 17....yet hardly ever any traffic....meanwhile driving on the 401 you are continually dodging the potholes, accident debris, mattresses and flying rubber
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Mind boggling the amount of money they have spent on the northern roads, especially Hwy 17....yet hardly ever any traffic....meanwhile driving on the 401 you are continually dodging the potholes, accident debris, mattresses and flying rubber
I'm used to it. If you can get going fast enough, you can fly right over the pot holes Our gas taxes (not) at work.

But I think Halton roads are the worst though. Driving over the "border" to Peel is like the difference between night and day.

I think I've hijacked this thread I'll stop now

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We have lot's of enforcement. Traffic usually all sits near the speed limit plus/minus 10kph or less.

One's that whizz past me on the long freeway trips always end up being passed by me, when they are having a long chat with police.

It only takes one Police car per 200km freeway and they catch almost all the people who do 20+ over the limit. So it really is not worth thinking of going beyond the limit.
I guess I look at all the fines as optional taxation.
The more gathered from other tax payers, the less they will have to get from other methods.



Here's a short clip comparing 60kph crash to one at 100kph
3 times the energy. Goes from survivable with some injury, to assured serious injury (if lucky)

Here's a pole impact at 50/70/90 kph
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Now 200kph / 120 mph looks like this.
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modern generation cars do really well in the standard 64kph crash tests,
but even their protection and structures are overwhelmed at impact speeds of 100kph/62mph, and injury risk skyrockets with every bit of speed.
so typical highway speed beyond that (even 70-80 mph) means the driver is lucky if the do not hit
the solid object before they have washed off a lot of energy.
This is where cable barriers along the side of roads make such a difference. They do a good job of stopping the car having a sudden stop.

When the driver is having a micro-sleep, hits on-coming traffic, hits parked object, hits tree near road
or slips off road in slippery/icy/wet conditions,
then energy dissipation before impact is low, and travelling speed almost equals impact speed.
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Hmm... yet another way of extracting money from the better off perhaps?

...steps down off soapbox...
Actually,...taking half someone's weekly wage (or worse)... whatever they earn...seems fair enough to me.
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Actually,...taking half someone's weekly wage (or worse)... whatever they earn...seems fair enough to me.
I don't agree, and they are actually proposing 150% of weekly wage.
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