Should I sell my slk 200 for Z4 3.0 si Turbo (365 hp) ....

diclehana · 12-23-2006

I am a little lazy today so I will do copy and paste from another forum...

I was so tired after work. Came home and spent 3 hours surfing for second hand roadsters. It is because Mert called me from da motorsports. He is the owner of a well known tuning service for luxury cars especially bmws. If you ever had a bmw you should recognize the name. He is known for 1000+ hp turbo M3's, 500 hp X5's and so on. He is doing business all around the world. 2 days ago I mailed him if he is interested in tuning my slk 200. His answer was quick, with ECU tuning, pulley kit and a new exaust system he offered 200 hp for 4000 Dolars which sounded too much for little gain to me. We talked on the phone and I thanked him. While surfing in his site http://www.da-motorsport.com I came up with this

This is the Z4 in the link

231 horsepower is not enough? There is no MZ4 on the market yet… DA
MOTORSPORT offers 350 hp & 330 lb/ft for Z4 3.0L

- DA Z4 turbocharger kit is a bolt on system, requires no fabrication.

- 350 hp is attained with standard enigine internals.

- Under hood factory look is preserved by locating the turbocharger system under and next to the engine.

- 8 psi pf boost pressure on manual transmission equipped Z4 3.0L

- 5 psi of boost pressureon automatic transmission equipped Z4 3.0L

DA MOTORSPORT TURBOCHARGER KIT CONTENTS

- Garrett Turbocharger

- Turbocharger flange, gasket

- Turbocharger exhaust manifold, cast iron

- TIAL 38 mm external wastegate

- Wastegate flange, gasket

- Down pipe, stainless steel 314

- Down pipe flanges, gaskets and bolts

- Front mount intercooler

- Intercooler pipes, stainless steel 314

- Cross bolt clamps, stainless steel 314

- Silicon hoses

- Modified engine mount

- Turbosmart blow off valve

- Blow off valve vacuum hose

- Front mount oil cooler

- Oil cooler adapter cap

- Oil cooler lines, braided stainless steel

- K&N air filter, in box

- Oil scavenge pump for circulating engine oil from the turbocharger into the oil sump

- Oil reservoir of the scavenge pump

- Oil lines, fittings and bracket

- 6 larger capacity injectors (manual versions only)

- TSI engine management system

- TSI internal map sensor 22 psi

- TSI internal map sensor hose and clamp

- TSI wiring harness

- TSI internal map sensor hose and clamp

- TSI wiring harness

diclehana · 12-23-2006

After surfing for hours, looking for kleeman kit for m271 and some other companies kits, I began to think is it wise or possible to add a turbocharger into the compressor engine? I am not an expert but just thinking? Golf TSI has both turbo and supercharger and is squezing 170 hp out of 1.4 Litre engine...

If you look at my earlier threads there was a time even I thought about swapping my engine, this is a better idea

and I still keep my SLK ( or what ever it is left after the turbo)

diclehana · 12-23-2006

Slk has the looks for sure. I am not in to performance but after Z4 turbo I might well get into that issue. I havent driven Z4, but the interior design can not be compared with SLK. As you know there are a lot of Z4's around here, and my SLK walks like a king in the traffic. But I know under the skin it has just 163 hp and it is lazy to move the ass. Tell me the down sides of having a Z4, I know everything about it technically but nothing practically about the car. Tell me the downsides of it so I will keep my SLK 200...

FPF422 · 12-23-2006

if you go for it... and it looks tempting... wouldn't you upgrade your brakes and suspension too?

FPF422 · 12-23-2006

I find the ride on a Z4 very harsh, don't like the looks either and it's a soft top.
BMW maintenance costs are quite high compared to MB and it's not as well build.

IMHO Z4

DansSlk · 12-23-2006

Really mate whatever you do to the 200 its not going to have the same level of power as that modded Z4 but you can get the numbers higher than stock and you also get to keep the SLK.

I mean they are very nice cars but they just don't do anything for me i mean they still have a cloth roof!

FPF422 · 12-23-2006

and if you want something that really, really goes, buy a Smart Diablo... for a fraction of the price of the Beemer

http://www.slkworld.com/off-topic/14...s-ferrari.html

and you will be still in the Mercedes "family"

V8SLK · 12-23-2006

if that's the type of performance you're after perhaps look into a used slk32 or 55...

**Duo-Art** · 12-23-2006

I agree with V8SLK. If performance is your goal, you'd be better off with an SLK 55 than an over modified SLK 200 or any Z4 BMW (ugly cars).

diclehana · 12-23-2006

I can not afford the taxes in turkey for slk 55 AMG...
I have to get more performance out of slk 200. Kleeman kit plus?

diclehana · 12-23-2006

The thread moved to the general discussion but it is still about performance modification, I still dont get why it moved here but it doesnt matter. For so long 3 popular mb forums are my guide and even MB dealers in Istanbul dont know about the car as much as I do. So I really need your opinions. With your help I have done all my modifications, shared pictures, buy vario roof module and so on...

I watched the smart video long ago, it is fast but not a car

DansSlk · 12-23-2006

I moved it mate since when it started i thought it was more about comparing the SLK and the Z4 not really modding the 200 now its moving back towards that more but i think you will get more hits in here anyways mate.

As i said before work with the 200 its not going to get 365bhp but it does have plenty to give only thing i would consider with both cars is that your not just going to be able to mod them and be done with it you will need to have both cars looked over after as emissions and tax bands will have changed you might find them to be just as expensive if not more than the 55 because they are modified.

FPF422 · 12-23-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by diclehana

I watched the smart video long ago, it is fast but not a car :)

Not a car ! What the ... (jk) You could have almost the same perf in a Caterham

CSR260

260 bhp: Cosworth 2.3 litre
6 speed gearbox
Max Power: 260 bhp @ 7500 rpm
Max torque: 200 lbsft @ 6200 rpm
0-60 mph: 3.1 secs.
Max speed: 155 mph

http://www.caterham.co.uk/showroom/index.htm

or in a Donkervoort

http://www.donkervoort.nl/home.htm

I'm a big fan of "the Prisoner", I must admit and I would choose one of these over the BMW without having the slightest hesitation.

There is somewhere a maker of a Lotus 7 type car with the same engine (from a GSX-R) somewhere (and even with a twin engine) but my memory is full of holes and I don't remember the name.

diclehana · 12-23-2006

Dan my thread is fine in this cluster, by the way I love your new avatar it means lots of things...emissions is not a problem here and as long as the engine volume is under 1.8 L tax band remains the same. I think in some countries you pay for the ponnies you have but not in here...

diclehana · 12-23-2006

Pierre of course that car is a ferrari killer but even if it is faster than a jet fighter I wont buy one, I dont even want to be seen in one. In fact I think you admire the performance but we have the same taste as we both use SLKs. Catheram is a great car but I would prefer Ariel Atom on the track, whichis a serial killer comparing with Catheram.

We are getting far from our real topic, so I am still looking for this simple answer is it possible to use "SLK 200" and "turbocharger" in same sentence( it sounds familiar to me)

FPF422 · 12-23-2006

The Ariel Atom rocks but it's bare from bare & co... Would be ideal if the sun were always shining but it isn't the case for both of us.

The turbo could be the solution but for ultimate grunt, a double turbo would be wicked (small one + bigger one).

The Mitsubishi Evo can get 400bhp from it's 2 litre but the turbo lag is huge and it's not ideal for an everyday drive but it's proof you could get a fair amount of power from a 2 litre.

Anyhow, I would avoid BMW especially on the more powerful ones ( with the exception maybe of the 335d Coupé - just a bit slower than the M3 CSL SMG)

I know a M 850 owner... (the boss of the "Centrale Américaine" tire center) ran perfect for a few years and since last year that car is only a series of problem that BMW itself is unable to solve. The guy bought a new 911 Turbo last month...

and in the eighties, I had myself unexplained problems with my 320 (Motorsport upgraded).

DansSlk · 12-23-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by diclehana

Dan my thread is fine in this cluster, by the way I love your new avatar it means lots of things...

Thanks very much mate that particular shot means a lot to me also

Quote:

Originally Posted by diclehana

emissions is not a problem here and as long as the engine volume is under 1.8 L tax band remains the same. I think in some countries you pay for the ponnies you have but not in here...

Cool thats good so you can do a lot of mods without any real probs then if the limit is 1.8 it makes more sense to long term running cost to mod the SLK then right? here in the UK to do the sort of mods you will be doing add major amounts to the tax bill believe me i know so sounds like you have a good system.

diclehana · 12-23-2006

It is 1:00 am here in Turkey but I have free time and will spend it here...
Dan you are the Guru of this forum and you have my respects, did you ever tuned or saw a tuned m271 engine with turbo or bi turbo?Can I use my supercharger with turbo?

DansSlk · 12-23-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by diclehana

It is 1:00 am here in Turkey but I have free time and will spend it here...
Dan you are the Guru of this forum and you have my respects, did you ever tuned or saw a tuned m271 engine with turbo or bi turbo?Can I use my supercharger with turbo?

Quote:

Originally Posted by diclehana

Pierre of course that car is a ferrari killer but even if it is faster than a jet fighter I wont buy one, I dont even want to be seen in one. In fact I think you admire the performance but we have the same taste as we both use SLKs. Catheram is a great car but I would prefer Ariel Atom on the track, whichis a serial killer comparing with Catheram.

We are getting far from our real topic, so I am still looking for this simple answer is it possible to use "SLK 200" and "turbocharger" in same sentence( it sounds familiar to me)

Yes mate you can i see no reason why with the right mods a turbo cant be fitted to the car i would go turbo - s/blower - intake i think that would be the easiest also since the supercharger is already hooked to the manifold.

You would need to check what boost pressures are going to be don't wanna damage the blower

DansSlk · 12-23-2006

You could go bi-turbo but thats a lot of stress on the system that might push it over the edge.

Maybe if you where to get the Brabus k4 fitted and then turbo it after?

12-23-2006	#1 (permalink)
diclehana Senior SLK World Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Istanbul Vehicle: 05 SLK 200 Posts: 182 Country: Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	Should I sell my slk 200 for Z4 3.0 si Turbo (365 hp) .... I am a little lazy today so I will do copy and paste from another forum... I was so tired after work. Came home and spent 3 hours surfing for second hand roadsters. It is because Mert called me from da motorsports. He is the owner of a well known tuning service for luxury cars especially bmws. If you ever had a bmw you should recognize the name. He is known for 1000+ hp turbo M3's, 500 hp X5's and so on. He is doing business all around the world. 2 days ago I mailed him if he is interested in tuning my slk 200. His answer was quick, with ECU tuning, pulley kit and a new exaust system he offered 200 hp for 4000 Dolars which sounded too much for little gain to me. We talked on the phone and I thanked him. While surfing in his site http://www.da-motorsport.com I came up with this This is the Z4 in the link 231 horsepower is not enough? There is no MZ4 on the market yet… DA MOTORSPORT offers 350 hp & 330 lb/ft for Z4 3.0L - DA Z4 turbocharger kit is a bolt on system, requires no fabrication. - 350 hp is attained with standard enigine internals. - Under hood factory look is preserved by locating the turbocharger system under and next to the engine. - 8 psi pf boost pressure on manual transmission equipped Z4 3.0L - 5 psi of boost pressureon automatic transmission equipped Z4 3.0L DA MOTORSPORT TURBOCHARGER KIT CONTENTS - Garrett Turbocharger - Turbocharger flange, gasket - Turbocharger exhaust manifold, cast iron - TIAL 38 mm external wastegate - Wastegate flange, gasket - Down pipe, stainless steel 314 - Down pipe flanges, gaskets and bolts - Front mount intercooler - Intercooler pipes, stainless steel 314 - Cross bolt clamps, stainless steel 314 - Silicon hoses - Modified engine mount - Turbosmart blow off valve - Blow off valve vacuum hose - Front mount oil cooler - Oil cooler adapter cap - Oil cooler lines, braided stainless steel - K&N air filter, in box - Oil scavenge pump for circulating engine oil from the turbocharger into the oil sump - Oil reservoir of the scavenge pump - Oil lines, fittings and bracket - 6 larger capacity injectors (manual versions only) - TSI engine management system - TSI internal map sensor 22 psi - TSI internal map sensor hose and clamp - TSI wiring harness - TSI internal map sensor hose and clamp - TSI wiring harness

12-23-2006	#6 (permalink)
DansSlk Dude Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wales Vehicle: 05 B55S (Brabus 6.1 S) Posts: 6,752 Country: Thanks: 96 Thanked 221 Times in 173 Posts	Really mate whatever you do to the 200 its not going to have the same level of power as that modded Z4 but you can get the numbers higher than stock and you also get to keep the SLK. I mean they are very nice cars but they just don't do anything for me i mean they still have a cloth roof! __________________ One thing you will learn with German cars - If it's simple it ain't happening.

12-23-2006	#12 (permalink)
DansSlk Dude Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wales Vehicle: 05 B55S (Brabus 6.1 S) Posts: 6,752 Country: Thanks: 96 Thanked 221 Times in 173 Posts	I moved it mate since when it started i thought it was more about comparing the SLK and the Z4 not really modding the 200 now its moving back towards that more but i think you will get more hits in here anyways mate. As i said before work with the 200 its not going to get 365bhp but it does have plenty to give only thing i would consider with both cars is that your not just going to be able to mod them and be done with it you will need to have both cars looked over after as emissions and tax bands will have changed you might find them to be just as expensive if not more than the 55 because they are modified. __________________ One thing you will learn with German cars - If it's simple it ain't happening.

12-23-2006	#20 (permalink)
DansSlk Dude Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wales Vehicle: 05 B55S (Brabus 6.1 S) Posts: 6,752 Country: Thanks: 96 Thanked 221 Times in 173 Posts	You could go bi-turbo but thats a lot of stress on the system that might push it over the edge. Maybe if you where to get the Brabus k4 fitted and then turbo it after? __________________ One thing you will learn with German cars - If it's simple it ain't happening.

12-23-2006	#2 (permalink)
diclehana Senior SLK World Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Istanbul Vehicle: 05 SLK 200 Posts: 182 Country: Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	After surfing for hours, looking for kleeman kit for m271 and some other companies kits, I began to think is it wise or possible to add a turbocharger into the compressor engine? I am not an expert but just thinking? Golf TSI has both turbo and supercharger and is squezing 170 hp out of 1.4 Litre engine... If you look at my earlier threads there was a time even I thought about swapping my engine, this is a better idea and I still keep my SLK ( or what ever it is left after the turbo)

12-23-2006	#3 (permalink)
diclehana Senior SLK World Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Istanbul Vehicle: 05 SLK 200 Posts: 182 Country: Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	Slk has the looks for sure. I am not in to performance but after Z4 turbo I might well get into that issue. I havent driven Z4, but the interior design can not be compared with SLK. As you know there are a lot of Z4's around here, and my SLK walks like a king in the traffic. But I know under the skin it has just 163 hp and it is lazy to move the ass. Tell me the down sides of having a Z4, I know everything about it technically but nothing practically about the car. Tell me the downsides of it so I will keep my SLK 200...

12-23-2006	#4 (permalink)
FPF422 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Buizingen - Belgium Vehicle: '05 SLK 350 - 7G Posts: 852 Country: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	if you go for it... and it looks tempting... wouldn't you upgrade your brakes and suspension too?

12-23-2006	#5 (permalink)
FPF422 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Buizingen - Belgium Vehicle: '05 SLK 350 - 7G Posts: 852 Country: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I find the ride on a Z4 very harsh, don't like the looks either and it's a soft top. BMW maintenance costs are quite high compared to MB and it's not as well build. IMHO Z4

12-23-2006	#7 (permalink)
FPF422 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Buizingen - Belgium Vehicle: '05 SLK 350 - 7G Posts: 852 Country: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	and if you want something that really, really goes, buy a Smart Diablo... for a fraction of the price of the Beemer http://www.slkworld.com/off-topic/14...s-ferrari.html and you will be still in the Mercedes "family"

12-23-2006	#8 (permalink)
V8SLK Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Home of the brave Vehicle: 05 SLK55 AMG Posts: 1,071 Country: Thanks: 40 Thanked 48 Times in 26 Posts	if that's the type of performance you're after perhaps look into a used slk32 or 55...

12-23-2006	#9 (permalink)
Duo-Art Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 544 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	I agree with V8SLK. If performance is your goal, you'd be better off with an SLK 55 than an over modified SLK 200 or any Z4 BMW (ugly cars).

12-23-2006	#10 (permalink)
diclehana Senior SLK World Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Istanbul Vehicle: 05 SLK 200 Posts: 182 Country: Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	I can not afford the taxes in turkey for slk 55 AMG... I have to get more performance out of slk 200. Kleeman kit plus?

12-23-2006	#11 (permalink)
diclehana Senior SLK World Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Istanbul Vehicle: 05 SLK 200 Posts: 182 Country: Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	The thread moved to the general discussion but it is still about performance modification, I still dont get why it moved here but it doesnt matter. For so long 3 popular mb forums are my guide and even MB dealers in Istanbul dont know about the car as much as I do. So I really need your opinions. With your help I have done all my modifications, shared pictures, buy vario roof module and so on... I watched the smart video long ago, it is fast but not a car

12-23-2006	#14 (permalink)
diclehana Senior SLK World Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Istanbul Vehicle: 05 SLK 200 Posts: 182 Country: Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	Dan my thread is fine in this cluster, by the way I love your new avatar it means lots of things...emissions is not a problem here and as long as the engine volume is under 1.8 L tax band remains the same. I think in some countries you pay for the ponnies you have but not in here...

12-23-2006	#15 (permalink)
diclehana Senior SLK World Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Istanbul Vehicle: 05 SLK 200 Posts: 182 Country: Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	Pierre of course that car is a ferrari killer but even if it is faster than a jet fighter I wont buy one, I dont even want to be seen in one. In fact I think you admire the performance but we have the same taste as we both use SLKs. Catheram is a great car but I would prefer Ariel Atom on the track, whichis a serial killer comparing with Catheram. We are getting far from our real topic, so I am still looking for this simple answer is it possible to use "SLK 200" and "turbocharger" in same sentence( it sounds familiar to me)

12-23-2006	#16 (permalink)
FPF422 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Buizingen - Belgium Vehicle: '05 SLK 350 - 7G Posts: 852 Country: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Ariel Atom rocks but it's bare from bare & co... Would be ideal if the sun were always shining but it isn't the case for both of us. The turbo could be the solution but for ultimate grunt, a double turbo would be wicked (small one + bigger one). The Mitsubishi Evo can get 400bhp from it's 2 litre but the turbo lag is huge and it's not ideal for an everyday drive but it's proof you could get a fair amount of power from a 2 litre. Anyhow, I would avoid BMW especially on the more powerful ones ( with the exception maybe of the 335d Coupé - just a bit slower than the M3 CSL SMG) I know a M 850 owner... (the boss of the "Centrale Américaine" tire center) ran perfect for a few years and since last year that car is only a series of problem that BMW itself is unable to solve. The guy bought a new 911 Turbo last month... and in the eighties, I had myself unexplained problems with my 320 (Motorsport upgraded).

12-23-2006	#18 (permalink)
diclehana Senior SLK World Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Istanbul Vehicle: 05 SLK 200 Posts: 182 Country: Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	It is 1:00 am here in Turkey but I have free time and will spend it here... Dan you are the Guru of this forum and you have my respects, did you ever tuned or saw a tuned m271 engine with turbo or bi turbo?Can I use my supercharger with turbo?