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Default H.I.D. Conversion Kit - PROBLEM

I installed yesterday a H.I.D. Conversion Kit. While I was driving today, the following messages appeared on the display:
"dipped beam, left" and "dipped beam, right".
The messages were changing from the first to the second after a few seconds...

Can anyone help????
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I installed yesterday a H.I.D. Conversion Kit. While I was driving today, the following messages appeared on the display:
"dipped beam, left" and "dipped beam, right".
The messages were changing from the first to the second after a few seconds...

Can anyone help????

Have you made any provisions to trick the computer into thinking the old set-up is still installed like installing resistors or having the car version coded.

The problem you are experiencing is caused when the computer detects the lower resistance the HID setup operates at compared to the old bulbs this makes it think you have a blown bulb and it gives the warning.

Do the lights flash on and off?
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Can you also provide us with a description on how the HIDs are wired in.

There are 2 common setups.

#1. HID bulb (burner) > HID ballast (& or ingitor) > To stock harness

#2. HID bulb (burner) > HID ballast (& or ingitor) > Relay > To stock harness and to (+) battery terminal

I connected my HID kit to test in my fog lights using setup #1 and never got a bulb out warning.

Since setup #2 does not actually send resistance down to the Stock harness then you get the error.

If you have setup #2, i have 2 spare resistors that you can use for this correction. They are made for high watt (50w) bulbs and not the typical ones you need for LED bulbs.

Dan, can other bulbs in the car be "version coded" ? say for example parking lights to accept LEDs without resistors?

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noregret mate,

The headlights can be coded to "HID = Present" for the Xenon lights if installed unfortunately the other bulbs cannot be coded since they are all the same on every version of the car the only thing i can think of would be to tell the Driver SAM that the car does not have side running lamps that should stop the warnings but that might also kill the power to the harness thats not really what you want since you would have to find power elsewhere.

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The messages that I mentioned were displayed once. When I changed the display mode they didn't appear again. From that moment I did't face that issue again.

However, I went to MB in order to check the messages and there wasn't any warning recorded (fortunately). They told me that even the accelaration could have made this issue. Also, I told them to put "xenon=present" setting.

The kit was not installed by me, but a relay was certainly not installed and the kit wasn't connected to the (+) battery terminal. The kit was connected to the stock harness.

I will go today to install PIAA Xtreme White for the parking lights, since there is an obvious difference to the color. You think that the color will match or not?

Thank you both for your useful posts...
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I will go today to install PIAA Xtreme White for the parking lights, since there is an obvious difference to the color. You think that the color will match or not?
Yes, the PIAA Xtreme White bulbs will be a much better match for you HID healights. No more yellow looking parking lights.
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Perhaps you may want to go down the road of LEDs. Which will match the HIDs exactly.

What is the color Temp of the HID Bulbs? 4300k 6000k 8000k... ?

We would love to see some pictures.
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My bulbs are 6000K...
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6000K is a nice choice. It is slightly off color to look custom, yet not too far off the stock as well.

I have no direct experience with PIAA bulbs and how they match the HIDs you have now, but do have experience with LED bulbs.

Here is my previously owned CLK with Stock HIDs, white LEDs in the parking and side marker lights and 8000k HIDs in the fog lights, just as an example of what it could look like.


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Glad the problem seems to have rectified itself.

There are loads of other reasons why it could trip off in error and since it has not happened again a voltage fluctuation was most likely the cause.

Now it is set to know that there are xenons it will be much less sensitive to slight changes in voltage, i think however that the comment they made about the acceleration might be a little far fetched for that to happen the connectors would have to be almost hanging out of the sockets.

Anyways glad it is working OK for you now.
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I will go today to install PIAA Xtreme White for the parking lights, since there is an obvious difference to the color. You think that the color will match or not?
The PIAA SuperPlasma with GTX technology (P/N 19283) wedge 5W bulbs will have a color temperature that more closely matches the HID compared to the Xtreme White, however, Xtreme White is not a bad choice.

PIAA 19168 SuperWhite has color temp of 3800K
PIAA 19172 XtremeWhite has color temp of 4150K
PIAA 19283 SuperPlasma GT-X has a color temp of 5000K
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The PIAA SuperPlasma with GTX technology (P/N 19283) wedge 5W bulbs will have a color temperature that more closely matches the HID compared to the Xtreme White, however, Xtreme White is not a bad choice.

PIAA 19168 SuperWhite has color temp of 3800K
PIAA 19172 XtremeWhite has color temp of 4150K
PIAA 19283 SuperPlasma GT-X has a color temp of 5000K
I installed yesterday the Xtreme White bulb. With Xenon off they look gorgeous. With my Xenon on, their color seems whiter than the Xenon.

Below, I provide the color temp for PIAA bulbs:
PIAA Super White -> 3800K
PIAA Xtreme White Plus -> 4000K
PIAA Xtreme White -> 4150K
PIAA Xtreme Force -> 4700K
PIAA Super Plasma GT-X -> 5000K

1) Super Plasma bulbs are not available in Greece (at least I couldn't find them) so as to see how the car will look. Nevertheless, the store that I was yesterday has Xtreme White Plus bulbs? What's your opinion about these? I've read that their color is also white but closer to blue, although their colo temp is less that in Xtreme White...

2) I've also found Super Plasme bulbs. What about these?

3) What is better with Xenon... bulbs on leds? Do you have any PIAA leds to suggest?

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You may want a color temp closer to the xenon (HID, I presume). I believe these have a color temp around 5200K to 5600K depending on the manufacturer. Some are much higher. My personal opinion, the Xtreme White is fine.

Saw this on amazon.com about Xenon type bulbs with 8000K color temperature for H7 type headlamps: http://www.amazon.com/PIAA-SPARK8000...175015?ie=UTF8
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The thing with bulbs is that the more color temp they have, they produce less light... That's why, I don't want to install a bulb with such color temp (8000K).

My Xenon kit is 6000K.

I've already installed PIAA Xtreme White bulbs for the parking lights, but tomorrow I'll also test PIAA Xtreme Force. Regarding the high beam and the fog lights, I'll choose probably between PIAA Xtreme White and PIAA Xtreme White Plus. Are my choices correct?

What about the bulbs for the license plates? What is the bulb type? Does PIAA have such product?

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Your on the right track. I agree, 6000K would be my choice for the Xenon bulbs. I've spent tons of money on vehicles looking for the right bulbs. I have a bag full of factory and aftermarket bulbs. Always looking for the whitest and brightest.
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All i can say is... once you go White LED. It is really hard to go back
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The thing with bulbs is that the more color temp they have, they produce less light... That's why, I don't want to install a bulb with such color temp (8000K).

My Xenon kit is 6000K.

I've already installed PIAA Xtreme White bulbs for the parking lights, but tomorrow I'll also test PIAA Xtreme Force. Regarding the high beam and the fog lights, I'll choose probably between PIAA Xtreme White and PIAA Xtreme White Plus. Are my choices correct?

What about the bulbs for the license plates? What is the bulb type? Does PIAA have such product?
The 6000K is a good choice. You actually lose night vision when the color temp is too high. For high beam and fogs, if they're around 4000 to 5000K in color temp., then it'll be fine. Then again, color temp is a personal choice.
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I dropped in the Silverstar bulbs for my fog lights... verdict =
slightly brighter, yet color temp is total marketing

I may get the Jap crappy bulbs i used in my R170 (usually poped after 2 months) But i figure since it is not my headlights and they are used only in turns/bad weather they should last longer.

Its either that or i am going to mod the hell out of my Fog light housing, turn off corner lighting and install real deal HIDs
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I installed PIAA Xtreme White bulbs for the fog lights, but the produced light is slightly whiter (still yellow) compared to the light of the original bulbs... Is this possible?

I also installed PIAA Xtreme White bulbs for the high beam and the parking lights and I am completely satisfied, as the color matches well enough with the Xenon kit.

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