I'm not interested in the unit but would recommend that you work out one way of disabling it in stop-go traffic... otherwise you might find a tyre lever through the light at the next set of traffic lights.
Also, have you considered that the flashing light may cause an epileptic to start a "fit"? Not saying that it would as I have no idea, but just something to think about in "sue for everything" USA.
Way too negative. Why not (Ynot) consider the positive safety aspects of this item? When in stop and go traffic, I want to be "more" visible.
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I'm not interested in the unit but would recommend that you work out one way of disabling it in stop-go traffic... otherwise you might find a tyre lever through the light at the next set of traffic lights.
Also, have you considered that the flashing light may cause an epileptic to start a "fit"? Not saying that it would as I have no idea, but just something to think about in "sue for everything" USA.
There are cars about now with flashing brake lights my friend they do this because they increase visibility and draw your eye to them and with the brakes thats gotta be a good thing.
About causing an epileptic fit we could use the very same argument about the ESP light or the guy in fronts turn signal, i see what your saying and th point you are trying to make but i think if somebody's brake lights induce an epileptic fit then that person should not be behind the wheel of a car because there are so many things that flash to grab peoples attention i don't think they would be safe driving a car.
I also see what you are saying, and here are my opinions and i do note "my own"
Stop and go traffic usually consists of you easing off the break slightly to advance forward. As long as the brake is even slightly engaged it will not repeat the pattern. Only if you completely remove your foot from the brakes will it repeat the pulses/flashes.
Your point about an epileptic fit from the 3rd brake light is also a considerate motion from your part, and thus a respectable concern. However as Dan said there are many flashing lights around us when we drive. The core of "flashes" is to attract attention. So if an epileptic is driving, turn signals ESP lights, not to mention Police car lights light up like a christmas tree on steroids.
I guess my defence is that if flashing lights didn't attract more attention then steady on lights, then our turn signals would be Constant Amber instead of Flashing Amber. So i am going on the same concept.
I would also like to bring forward some evidence to your attention.
I'm not interested in the unit but would recommend that you work out one way of disabling it in stop-go traffic... otherwise you might find a tyre lever through the light at the next set of traffic lights.
Also, have you considered that the flashing light may cause an epileptic to start a "fit"? Not saying that it would as I have no idea, but just something to think about in "sue for everything" USA.
Police cars, fire trucks and ambulances have lights (yellow, blue, red and even white)that flash/burst, even stobe lights that are much brighter than the third red LED brakelight.
Moreover, if one has a seizure/epileptic fit that is not under control, the Dep't of Motor Vehicles (DMV) has very strict rules on reporting these individuals and withdrawing their privilege to drive (driver's license is immediately suspended). This also applies to those that have fainting spells, actually any lapses in consciousness.
NG4L, thanks for the news article.
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We will hold off payment till i am ready to ship them out to everyone. This way its fair.
Just say the word. Tell us your preference and how we can send payment. Thanks for developing the Kleyman 1.
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Hey NR4L, i'd like a module too. here's my confirmation? i hope i'm not too late. considering all the testing and experimentation, i think this is a fair price...btw, i was rear-ended very hard in an accident recently, i think this is a great mod, as it might have prevented the accident.
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btw, i was rear-ended very hard in an accident recently, i think this is a great mod, as it might have prevented the accident.
Sorry to hear. Hope the damage was not severe.
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Way too negative. Why not (Ynot) consider the positive safety aspects of this item? When in stop and go traffic, I want to be "more" visible.
Good points from some people about flashing lights on police cars so forget that comment.
I can see the point of a flashing light for hard braking on motorways, sounds like a brilliant safety idea, but I just can't see the point in city stop-go traffic apart from it would annoy the hell out of me if I was behind you.
I feel if some jerk is going to run into the back of your car he's been driving behind at 5mph for the past 20 minutes, no amount of flashing lights are going to do anything to improve the situation.
Maybe it should be set up only to work once your car has exceeded 40mph?
If you want to be more visible maybe a yellow and pink striped car might be the way to go?
Good points from some people about flashing lights on police cars so forget that comment.
I can see the point of a flashing light for hard braking on motorways, sounds like a brilliant safety idea, but I just can't see the point in city stop-go traffic apart from it would annoy the hell out of me if I was behind you.
I feel if some jerk is going to run into the back of your car he's been driving behind at 5mph for the past 20 minutes, no amount of flashing lights are going to do anything to improve the situation.
Maybe it should be set up only to work once your car has exceeded 40mph?
If you want to be more visible maybe a yellow and pink striped car might be the way to go?
NoRegret4Life has developed this item. I applaud his effort. He's making it available at minimal cost. It's an improvement over the existing off-on third brake light required on every USA version vehicle. It's optional. Don't purchase it if you don't think it will improve your rear end visibility during a stop. Most won't agree with your logic.
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NoRegret4Life has developed this item. I applaud his effort. He's making it available at minimal cost. It's an improvement over the existing off-on third brake light required on every USA version vehicle. It's optional. Don't purchase it if you don't think it will improve your rear end visibility during a stop. Most won't agree with your logic.
Well, there you go. Have a difference of opinion on this forum and people start throwing their toys out of their prams.
How can you say "it's an improvement" when it's never been made/tested? You are assuming it'll be better, that's all. Surely if it was better that standard, the powers that be would have made it legal to fit and obligatory. I believe MB are making one that works under hard braking on a motorway but NOT in stop-start traffic. I wonder why? They must be wrong and you must be right.
Instead of fitting funny little gadgets, why not leave a gap in front and use your mirrors and powers of observation to save your rear end?
... but I just can't see the point in city stop-go traffic apart from it would annoy the hell out of me if I was behind you.
I wouldn't mind. I might even ask him/her if they sell it as an aftermarket product/module.
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Well, there you go. Have a difference of opinion on this forum and people start throwing their toys out of their prams.
Re-read what you're replying to.
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{How can you say "it's an improvement" when it's never been made/tested? You are assuming it'll be better, that's all. Surely if it was better that standard, the powers that be would have made it legal to fit and obligatory. I believe MB are making one that works under hard braking on a motorway but NOT in stop-start traffic. I wonder why? They must be wrong and you must be right.
Instead of fitting funny little gadgets, why not leave a gap in front and use your mirrors and powers of observation to save your rear end?
I'll get one when it's availalble from NoRegret4Life.
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blueyes,
The Merc system flashes under hard braking be it at 100 or 2 MPH speed does not matter like BMW systems that increase the intensity of the light depending on how hard you brake, while i can see your point it is a fact that the flash is better than a constant on there is no two ways about it.
Noregrets module does not constantly flash the lights as i am sure you are aware even just a few flashes would be enough i think to grab somebody's attention and then the constant light should be sufficient and its not like all the lights do it just the mid mounted one so its not that intrusive.
Personally i think the benefit of the flash outweighs the small annoyance the person behind might feel when the light flashes but in stop and go traffic the brakes are used so often i have already got used to a similar flash that occurs when people are tapping the brakes and the lights powering up at me and it does not annoy me it does what it is supposed to do inform me that the person in front will be slowing down and it would make sense for me to do the same and at higher speeds the benefit of this module is unquestionable.
Anyway you are entitled to your opinion but if you think this is a bad idea you have already made us aware of that and there is no need to get in a fuss about it if you have nothing constructive to say don't say anything if you do then your comments are welcome.
blueyes, none of us here are looking to bicker about any comments. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and being a practical person i greatfully accept both good and bad.
The module is indeed an addon, and thus it is not perfect. Sure i would like to have it with additional mode of sharp braking as stock devices will be in the future, but this would raise cost of parts and nevermind my own time to research into getting it done.
No i am not pushing sales for it. As a matter of fact i am making nothing on it really. This is a saftey module, and having been in rear collisions a few times i am very aware of peoples driving behind me. This is just an additional device that should help out.
Lets take into consideration our single rear foglight on the drivers side. It too is annoying to drivers behind us. Its top mounted position and high brightness output warns away drivers behind us and makes us more visible on the roads. Not sure about anyone else, but i have had many people pull up next to me and yell out the window "Hey, your rear tail light is out" to which a reply is "Thanks, it is supposed to be only one on... a safety feature so you notice me on the road" and thus it has done its job.
Just to clear up a few things once more.
-The module can be set to Pulse only the first 3 times, there after it stays constant on just as stock would.
-The module in the above mode only reactivates to flash, ONLY when you completely release the brake. If you ease off and on in traffic, it just stays lit.
Perhaps in the near future, a Version 2 will evolve with addition features we have discussed. but for the time being, i guess i'm going to annoy drivers behind me to stay the hell of my tail
Way too negative. Why not (Ynot) consider the positive safety aspects of this item? When in stop and go traffic, I want to be "more" visible. 
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