SLK vs. competitors on the track

Ikarus · 08-07-2008

I've been trying to find a list of lap times where our SLKs and their competitors are put next to each other under reasonably similar conditions. Such a list is here and here's my excerpt (sorry about the formatting, the spaces for aligning the columns get erased upon posting):

70. Mercedes SL 63 AMG 1:15.3 ´08 525 / 1895
76. Porsche 987 Boxster S (291bhp) 1:15.6 ´06 295 / 1355
77. Porsche 987 Boxster S (276bhp) 1:15.7 ´05 280 / 1345
85. Mercedes SL 55 AMG 1:15.9 ´06 517 / 1960
90. Porsche 986 Boxster S (262bhp) 1:16.2 ´04 266 / 1320
101. BMW Z4 M Roadster 1:16.7 ´06 343 / 1444
110. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG 1:17.1 ´06 360 / 1495
121. Mercedes SLK 350 (Facelift) 1:17.2 ´08 305 / 1410
124. Porsche 987 Boxster 1:17.4 ´05 240 / 1398
127. Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 Roadster 1:17.4 335 / 1506
134. BMW Z4 3.0si 1:17.6 ´07 265 / 1385
151. BMW Z4 3.0i 1:18.1 ´03 231 / 1384
152. Mercedes SL 500 1:18.1 ´06 388 / 1910
153. Honda S2000 1:18.2 ´99 239 / 1260
161. Audi TT Roadster 3.2 (8J) 1:18.2 ´07 250 / 1526
165. Porsche 986 Boxster S (248bhp) 1:18.3 ´99 252 / 1295
179. Mercedes SLK 32 AMG 1:18.5 ´01 354 / 1395
183. Nissan 350Z (283bhp) 1:18.7 ´02 287 / 1532
184. Mercedes SLK 350 (R171) 1:18.7 ´04 272 / 1488
205. Porsche 986 Boxster (201bhp) 1:19.3 ´96 204 / 1250
209. Porsche 986 Boxster (225bhp) 1:19.4 ´02 228 / 1275
215. Audi TT Roadster 2.0 TFSI 1:19.6 ´07 200 / 1386
229. BMW Z4 2.5i 1:20.0 ´03 192 / 1260
240. Mercedes SLK 280 1:20.3 ´05 234 / 1483

shahedC · 08-07-2008

Man, I knew that the R171 was faster at 0-60 than the base Z4, Boxster and TT when it first came out for the 2005 model.... but the competitors quickly caught up, and the Z4/Boxster have always been well-known for their handling prowess anyway.

But it's nice to see the face-lifted R171 do better than the base Z4/Boxster/TT on a track!

I see that the SLK55 AMG is bested by the Z4 M and Boxster S, but it would be interesting to see what the SLK AMG BS can do against the others.

No surprise with the SLK280 being at the bottom of the list... heavy and underpowered... did they even try the SLK200 (European) model on the track?

~shahedc
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Ikarus · 08-07-2008

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Originally Posted by shahedC

No surprise with the SLK280 being at the bottom of the list... heavy and underpowered.

Ouch, that hurts.

In terms of power, it's not even that bad if you look at the excerpt, but the weight is clearly on the porky side.

It's not all that bad, though. After all, the complete list goes on to number 388 and the SLK280 leaves behind some worthy adversaries, some with a better power-to-weight ratio, like a 2001 BMW 330i, 2003 Audi A3 3.2 quattro, 2001 Mercedes C 32 AMG, 2002 Jaguar S-Type R, 2004 Mini Cooper S Works, 2003 Bentley Continental GT.

Another interesting factoid is that the facelifted SLK350 leaves behind a 2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster.

linuxpro · 08-07-2008

Another interesting fact is that my favorite car of all time, the Porsche 993-based GT1 is the fastest car ever recorded on that track. Same holds true for the 'Ring, last I checked. That GT1 was one badass car, and it only had 600bhp. Never understood why Porsche changed so many things when they moved to the 996, the 993 is still the best car they ever built. And arguably, one of the best cars anyone has ever built.

shahedC · 08-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Ikarus

Ouch, that hurts. ...

Don't take it personally.

I was merely comparing it to its primary competitors and its beefier versions.

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Originally Posted by Ikarus

Another interesting factoid is that the facelifted SLK350 leaves behind a 2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster.

Very cool... I have been eyeing AM cars as of late... never driven one before (yet!)

**webslinger** · 08-08-2008

Isn't the Nissan GT-R the fastest production car around the 'ring now?

shahedC · 08-08-2008

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Originally Posted by webslinger

Isn't the Nissan GT-R the fastest production car around the 'ring now?

there have been rumors about the LF-A mule beating the GT-R...

Ikarus · 08-08-2008

Nuerburgring Nordschleife times:

Fastestlaps.com
Wikipedia
Supercars.net

On all lists...

1) the GT1 does not show up. I assume it's because it didn't run in the production car version (there were less than 30 of them).
2) The LF-A time does not show up or is listed as "unconfirmed".
3) There seems to be disagreement about the definition of "production car", but by either definition, the GT-R is not the fastest one.

What's truly puzzling about the GT-R is that the next car with a similarly low power-to-weight ratio is far down the list. Either they severely underrate the power, or they have set a new standard in terms of handling and powertrain efficiency. I assume it's a mixture of both.

shahedC · 08-08-2008

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Originally Posted by Ikarus

Nuerburgring Nordschleife times:

Wikipedia

..

I like the GT2 that leafrogged over so many great cars after the 2008 version was unleashed..

07:26.4 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1
07:27.8 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport
07:29.0 Nissan GT-R
07:32.0 Porsche 911 GT2 2008
07:34 Koenigsegg CCR
07:35 RUF RT12
07:39 Ferrari 430 Scuderia
07:40 Bugatti Veyron 16.4
07:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
07:40 Porsche Carrera GT
07:40 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
07:40.6 Ford GT
07:42 Porsche 911/ GT3
07:43.0 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06
07:43 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
07:44 Pagani Zonda S
07:46 Porsche 911 GT2
07:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
07:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
07:47 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear

shahedC · 08-08-2008

oh, and I'd like to see the times for the Enzo, the FXX and the SLR 722 GT

linuxpro · 08-08-2008

I love how the Porsche 911 in various forms just dominates that list. Every list, actually. The Ruf RT12... what a badass car. That's just a Carrerra that RUF beefs up a little bit. They go conservative with it and end up with 650bhp.

No other company in the world produces track cars as good as Porsche, and that includes Ferrari. 911s are such supremely impressive cars on a track, and they can be beefed up pretty easily into serious race machines. And all that with a simple V6. That's what is most impressive - how many other V6's do you see at the top of that list? The 911 is still running only 3.4-3.6L displacement (depending on the model and mods), and easily beats up on the most exotic V12s in the world. And you can still get 24mpg from one, or take it to get groceries.

cyberdrakon · 08-09-2008

you mean 'flat six'?

linuxpro · 08-09-2008

Yeah, I really meant 6-cyl... so used to the V-designs for 6 and 8 cylinder engines that I just automatically say V6 or V8.

08-07-2008	#1 (permalink)
Ikarus Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NorCal Vehicle: 2006 SLK 280 w. 6M Other Toys: 2000 New Beetle GLS w. 5M Posts: 596 Country: Thanks: 18 Thanked 40 Times in 20 Posts	SLK vs. competitors on the track I've been trying to find a list of lap times where our SLKs and their competitors are put next to each other under reasonably similar conditions. Such a list is here and here's my excerpt (sorry about the formatting, the spaces for aligning the columns get erased upon posting): 70. Mercedes SL 63 AMG 1:15.3 ´08 525 / 1895 76. Porsche 987 Boxster S (291bhp) 1:15.6 ´06 295 / 1355 77. Porsche 987 Boxster S (276bhp) 1:15.7 ´05 280 / 1345 85. Mercedes SL 55 AMG 1:15.9 ´06 517 / 1960 90. Porsche 986 Boxster S (262bhp) 1:16.2 ´04 266 / 1320 101. BMW Z4 M Roadster 1:16.7 ´06 343 / 1444 110. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG 1:17.1 ´06 360 / 1495 121. Mercedes SLK 350 (Facelift) 1:17.2 ´08 305 / 1410 124. Porsche 987 Boxster 1:17.4 ´05 240 / 1398 127. Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 Roadster 1:17.4 335 / 1506 134. BMW Z4 3.0si 1:17.6 ´07 265 / 1385 151. BMW Z4 3.0i 1:18.1 ´03 231 / 1384 152. Mercedes SL 500 1:18.1 ´06 388 / 1910 153. Honda S2000 1:18.2 ´99 239 / 1260 161. Audi TT Roadster 3.2 (8J) 1:18.2 ´07 250 / 1526 165. Porsche 986 Boxster S (248bhp) 1:18.3 ´99 252 / 1295 179. Mercedes SLK 32 AMG 1:18.5 ´01 354 / 1395 183. Nissan 350Z (283bhp) 1:18.7 ´02 287 / 1532 184. Mercedes SLK 350 (R171) 1:18.7 ´04 272 / 1488 205. Porsche 986 Boxster (201bhp) 1:19.3 ´96 204 / 1250 209. Porsche 986 Boxster (225bhp) 1:19.4 ´02 228 / 1275 215. Audi TT Roadster 2.0 TFSI 1:19.6 ´07 200 / 1386 229. BMW Z4 2.5i 1:20.0 ´03 192 / 1260 240. Mercedes SLK 280 1:20.3 ´05 234 / 1483

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08-07-2008	#2 (permalink)
shahedC SLK World Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Washington DC Vehicle: 2007 SLK350 Posts: 85 Country: Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Man, I knew that the R171 was faster at 0-60 than the base Z4, Boxster and TT when it first came out for the 2005 model.... but the competitors quickly caught up, and the Z4/Boxster have always been well-known for their handling prowess anyway. But it's nice to see the face-lifted R171 do better than the base Z4/Boxster/TT on a track! I see that the SLK55 AMG is bested by the Z4 M and Boxster S, but it would be interesting to see what the SLK AMG BS can do against the others. No surprise with the SLK280 being at the bottom of the list... heavy and underpowered... did they even try the SLK200 (European) model on the track? ~shahedc .

08-07-2008	#4 (permalink)
linuxpro Senior SLK World Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 2005 SLK-350, Black on two-tone biege/black Posts: 125 Country: Thanks: 1 Thanked 30 Times in 17 Posts	Another interesting fact is that my favorite car of all time, the Porsche 993-based GT1 is the fastest car ever recorded on that track. Same holds true for the 'Ring, last I checked. That GT1 was one badass car, and it only had 600bhp. Never understood why Porsche changed so many things when they moved to the 996, the 993 is still the best car they ever built. And arguably, one of the best cars anyone has ever built.

08-08-2008	#6 (permalink)
webslinger Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Vehicle: '07 SLK55 AMG Other Toys: Honda motorcycle Posts: 551 Country: Thanks: 24 Thanked 22 Times in 14 Posts	Isn't the Nissan GT-R the fastest production car around the 'ring now?

08-08-2008	#8 (permalink)
Ikarus Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NorCal Vehicle: 2006 SLK 280 w. 6M Other Toys: 2000 New Beetle GLS w. 5M Posts: 596 Country: Thanks: 18 Thanked 40 Times in 20 Posts	Nuerburgring Nordschleife times: Fastestlaps.com Wikipedia Supercars.net On all lists... 1) the GT1 does not show up. I assume it's because it didn't run in the production car version (there were less than 30 of them). 2) The LF-A time does not show up or is listed as "unconfirmed". 3) There seems to be disagreement about the definition of "production car", but by either definition, the GT-R is not the fastest one. What's truly puzzling about the GT-R is that the next car with a similarly low power-to-weight ratio is far down the list. Either they severely underrate the power, or they have set a new standard in terms of handling and powertrain efficiency. I assume it's a mixture of both.

08-08-2008	#10 (permalink)
shahedC SLK World Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Washington DC Vehicle: 2007 SLK350 Posts: 85 Country: Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	oh, and I'd like to see the times for the Enzo, the FXX and the SLR 722 GT

08-08-2008	#11 (permalink)
linuxpro Senior SLK World Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 2005 SLK-350, Black on two-tone biege/black Posts: 125 Country: Thanks: 1 Thanked 30 Times in 17 Posts	I love how the Porsche 911 in various forms just dominates that list. Every list, actually. The Ruf RT12... what a badass car. That's just a Carrerra that RUF beefs up a little bit. They go conservative with it and end up with 650bhp. No other company in the world produces track cars as good as Porsche, and that includes Ferrari. 911s are such supremely impressive cars on a track, and they can be beefed up pretty easily into serious race machines. And all that with a simple V6. That's what is most impressive - how many other V6's do you see at the top of that list? The 911 is still running only 3.4-3.6L displacement (depending on the model and mods), and easily beats up on the most exotic V12s in the world. And you can still get 24mpg from one, or take it to get groceries.

08-09-2008	#12 (permalink)
cyberdrakon Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: SoCal, USA Vehicle: SLK55 2006 Other Toys: 560SEC 1990, CLK500 2005 Posts: 1,406 Country: Thanks: 26 Thanked 63 Times in 42 Posts	you mean 'flat six'?

08-09-2008	#13 (permalink)
linuxpro Senior SLK World Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 2005 SLK-350, Black on two-tone biege/black Posts: 125 Country: Thanks: 1 Thanked 30 Times in 17 Posts	Yeah, I really meant 6-cyl... so used to the V-designs for 6 and 8 cylinder engines that I just automatically say V6 or V8.

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