MB to offer Nav System From Apple by 2009?

**webslinger** · 06-21-2007

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/17/a...-for-mercedes/

other site w/ German translation link:
http://www.foursprung.com/2007/06/ap...ation-for.html

**-1-** · 06-21-2007

Wouldn't Garmin or one of the other well know GPS manufacturers have been a better choice? Apple?

**DansSlk** · 06-21-2007

I would be very surprised if they where to move away from Harman/Becker for the hardware side of things but since the software is current Windows CE it would certainly be possible to replace that with an Apple offering without difficulty.

If you would actually notice the difference of course is another matter.

**Zeiser50** · 06-21-2007

Dan,
As far as i know, the becker software is a Qnx OS based, very far from CE.

Also, it is no so obvious for a company to enter as an automotive supplier, even for Apple. Therefore i doubt that apple will provide a complete system.

However, it is possible that next generation of becker system may integrates new technologies, like 3D pictures/photos, which can be provided by apple + google. In this sense, becker will intergate apple techno.

**DansSlk** · 06-21-2007

I will have to dig out the data but i am 90% from memory it is CE the majority of the control modules in the car are running it not just the COMAND.

**Zeiser50** · 06-21-2007

Hmmmmm ! May i bet : A free new sl55 amg ?

CE try to enters into the automotive world, but without success until now. Only retail products (or japanese navigation systems are CE based system).
Another point is that QNX is a company owned by Harmann becker.

i talk only on navigation system. Not on the black box connected on the most ring.

i will have also to dig ....

Ynot · 06-21-2007

Whomever they sign with in the future, I hope it's on par with the Japanese NAV systems, I'm embarrassed to use mine compared to the ones that comes with honda's and lexus.

Wimbledon_SLK · 06-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ynot

Whomever they sign with in the future, I hope it's on par with the Japanese NAV systems, I'm embarrassed to use mine compared to the ones that comes with honda's and lexus.

I have never seen a Japanese one. Why are they so much better?

Thanks

P

**DansSlk** · 06-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeiser50

Hmmmmm ! May i bet : A free new sl55 amg ?

CE try to enters into the automotive world, but without success until now. Only retail products (or japanese navigation systems are CE based system).
Another point is that QNX is a company owned by Harmann becker.

i talk only on navigation system. Not on the black box connected on the most ring.

i will have also to dig ....

Just the navi processor you mean then mate or are you talking about the headunit.

Its not only Harman that makes these units remember Siemens produces them also

OK mate having a quick look got the page for the S class loaded on the machine at the moment its running Microsoft Windows CE Automotive 4.2 as of its latest software release the new C class is also running the same, the older S that used COMAND 2.0 does not show what it runs maybe that could be the OS you mentioned?

Just as a side note this version of CE is also running on -

All iDrive BMW's
Volvo's from 02 onwards
Mitsubishi's and Subaru's again from 02
Toyota G-BOOK cars
Aston Martin AMV8 DB9 and Vanquish
Fiat and Alfa

Ynot · 06-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wimbledon_SLK

I have never seen a Japanese one. Why are they so much better?

Thanks

P

Touch screen, much easier to use, constant update of software, the MB one I have is two years old w/o an update. Bird's eye view, traffic updates and alternative routes, voice recognition, the list goes on and on.

**webslinger** · 06-21-2007

Apple seems to have touch screen figured out. The demos of Google maps on the iPhone show realtime traffic conditions seem to do a good job visually with location searches including sat. view.

I personally haven't had a need to search for locations via car based nav (i use google maps via my SE phone). Maybe that will change after I get the 55.

Google maps plus their street view imagery would rock in a car no matter who delivered it!

**-1-** · 06-21-2007

WOW, some cutting edge technology on the horizon. I don't care who provides it, just make it available.

**Zeiser50** · 06-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by DansSlk

Just the navi processor you mean then mate or are you talking about the headunit.

Its not only Harman that makes these units remember Siemens produces them also

OK mate having a quick look got the page for the S class loaded on the machine at the moment its running Microsoft Windows CE Automotive 4.2 as of its latest software release the new C class is also running the same, the older S that used COMAND 2.0 does not show what it runs maybe that could be the OS you mentioned?

Just as a side note this version of CE is also running on -

All iDrive BMW's
Volvo's from 02 onwards
Mitsubishi's and Subaru's again from 02
Toyota G-BOOK cars
Aston Martin AMV8 DB9 and Vanquish
Fiat and Alfa

Wow !!!
i will discuss with my maketing guys.

in2dwww · 06-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ynot

Touch screen, much easier to use, constant update of software, the MB one I have is two years old w/o an update. Bird's eye view, traffic updates and alternative routes, voice recognition, the list goes on and on.

"Constant update of software" is because it is running Windows!!!!

Plus, I defy anyone to try and use the Lexus nav while driving. You can't.

Ynot · 06-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by in2dwww

"Constant update of software" is because it is running Windows!!!!

Plus, I defy anyone to try and use the Lexus nav while driving. You can't.

Better than no updates, according to my NAV, I'm going off-road 50% of the time.

Same can be said with the MB ones, at least you can still put in a number, with mine, it gives you a range.

**DansSlk** · 06-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeiser50

Wow !!!
i will discuss with my maketing guys.

Marketing for who mate?

**DansSlk** · 06-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by in2dwww

"Constant update of software" is because it is running Windows!!!!

Plus, I defy anyone to try and use the Lexus nav while driving. You can't.

I think Ynot was going for mapping updates rather than the system software mate.

MB don't seem to be very good with getting the updates out with actual new map data on them.

Ynot · 06-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by DansSlk

I think Ynot was going for mapping updates rather than the system software mate.

MB don't seem to be very good with getting the updates out with actual new map data on them.

Yes, the mapping stinks, I'm off-roading half the time on nicely paved tarmac.

mtiede · 06-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by in2dwww

...
Plus, I defy anyone to try and use the Lexus nav while driving. You can't.

That's a good thing

06-21-2007	#1 (permalink)
webslinger Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Vehicle: '07 SLK55 AMG Other Toys: Honda motorcycle Posts: 551 Country: Thanks: 24 Thanked 22 Times in 14 Posts	MB to offer Nav System From Apple by 2009? http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/17/a...-for-mercedes/ other site w/ German translation link: http://www.foursprung.com/2007/06/ap...ation-for.html

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-1- Don Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Virginia USA Vehicle: SLK 55 ///AMG The MON55TER on the block Posts: 2,231 Country: Thanks: 54 Thanked 57 Times in 41 Posts	Wouldn't Garmin or one of the other well know GPS manufacturers have been a better choice? Apple? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *----------------1-----------------* --------SLK 55 ///AMG--------- THE MON55TER ON THE BLOCK

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DansSlk Dude Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wales Vehicle: 05 B55S (Brabus 6.1 S) Posts: 6,797 Country: Thanks: 96 Thanked 229 Times in 179 Posts	I would be very surprised if they where to move away from Harman/Becker for the hardware side of things but since the software is current Windows CE it would certainly be possible to replace that with an Apple offering without difficulty. If you would actually notice the difference of course is another matter. __________________ One thing you will learn with German cars - If it's simple it ain't happening.

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Zeiser50 Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Paris Vehicle: SLK 55 AMG Other Toys: Bike : '84 Z1300-6 Posts: 508 Country: Thanks: 6 Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts	Dan, As far as i know, the becker software is a Qnx OS based, very far from CE. Also, it is no so obvious for a company to enter as an automotive supplier, even for Apple. Therefore i doubt that apple will provide a complete system. However, it is possible that next generation of becker system may integrates new technologies, like 3D pictures/photos, which can be provided by apple + google. In this sense, becker will intergate apple techno. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ------Michel------ -SLK 55 AMG 2005-

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DansSlk Dude Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wales Vehicle: 05 B55S (Brabus 6.1 S) Posts: 6,797 Country: Thanks: 96 Thanked 229 Times in 179 Posts	I will have to dig out the data but i am 90% from memory it is CE the majority of the control modules in the car are running it not just the COMAND. __________________ One thing you will learn with German cars - If it's simple it ain't happening.

06-21-2007	#6 (permalink)
Zeiser50 Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Paris Vehicle: SLK 55 AMG Other Toys: Bike : '84 Z1300-6 Posts: 508 Country: Thanks: 6 Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts	Hmmmmm ! May i bet : A free new sl55 amg ? CE try to enters into the automotive world, but without success until now. Only retail products (or japanese navigation systems are CE based system). Another point is that QNX is a company owned by Harmann becker. i talk only on navigation system. Not on the black box connected on the most ring. i will have also to dig .... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ------Michel------ -SLK 55 AMG 2005-

06-21-2007	#7 (permalink)
Ynot Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Vehicle: 06' MBZ SLK Posts: 2,795 Country: Thanks: 135 Thanked 35 Times in 30 Posts	Whomever they sign with in the future, I hope it's on par with the Japanese NAV systems, I'm embarrassed to use mine compared to the ones that comes with honda's and lexus.

06-21-2007	#11 (permalink)
webslinger Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Vehicle: '07 SLK55 AMG Other Toys: Honda motorcycle Posts: 551 Country: Thanks: 24 Thanked 22 Times in 14 Posts	Apple seems to have touch screen figured out. The demos of Google maps on the iPhone show realtime traffic conditions seem to do a good job visually with location searches including sat. view. I personally haven't had a need to search for locations via car based nav (i use google maps via my SE phone). Maybe that will change after I get the 55. Google maps plus their street view imagery would rock in a car no matter who delivered it!

06-21-2007	#12 (permalink)
-1- Don Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Virginia USA Vehicle: SLK 55 ///AMG The MON55TER on the block Posts: 2,231 Country: Thanks: 54 Thanked 57 Times in 41 Posts	WOW, some cutting edge technology on the horizon. I don't care who provides it, just make it available. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *----------------1-----------------* --------SLK 55 ///AMG--------- THE MON55TER ON THE BLOCK

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