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**alroumi** · 04-11-2008

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Originally Posted by HwoALanG

oh god ~ did i cause flame again ~

yes yes~ no one around 20 ish can afforad 100k car ~ can't they??

i meant i work my butt off to keep my car so ~ ^^

Everyone worked hard to get his or her preferred method of commuting to work and this is our SLK's who we are here today in this reputable and very diverse forum to talk about and discuss anything related to our beloved roadsters.

**ir-ops** · 04-11-2008

first of all, i do not necessarily agree with hwoalang, however i trust we all agree that the sl and every car in this category and price, has a specific gravity other than the slk, and subsequently targets a different age group.

important is also where in the world you live and drive the car, not only the sl or slk, but in fact any car, and the local culture and economic standards.

it is a different matter to have a 25-year old drive (and be able to afford) a 150k$ car in monaco (a country very popular in other threads lately, mohammed), and a much different matter to have a 25-year old drive the same car in say romania or el salvador, won't you agree? examples of countries are indeed extreme, but aren't nowadays differences in financial power amongst us also so very extreme?

just my 2c
brgds
ir-ops

p.s.1: the new sl is very impressive, but
p.s 2: i'm 40 and don't feel old at all, and still like the slk better than the sl thank you very much,
p.s.3: i'll finish this post now.

**alroumi** · 04-11-2008

I-rops agree and it basically depends on the GDP per capita of a country as you've stated and thank you for your well balanced conclusion.

**Ynot** · 04-11-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by HwoALanG

oh god ~ did i cause flame again ~

yes yes~ no one around 20 ish can afforad 100k car ~ can't they??

i meant i work my butt off to keep my car so ~ ^^

No flame war, just difference in opinion.

**DansSlk** · 04-11-2008

I've had both the SL55 and 65 and i wouldn't say they made me feel old (I'm mid twenties) but they didn't invoke any emotions either.

They where very business like car's the point of them was to potter about town and go very fast in a straight line, i could not drive them with the roof down.

The SLK on the other hand makes me feel good while I'm driving it and after 3 years of ownership she's the one i invested in with mod's, not the SL's

**dltslk** · 04-11-2008

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Originally Posted by ir-ops

p.s 2: i'm 40 and don't feel old at all, and still like the slk better than the sl thank you very much,

I'm 48 and some days I do feel old and I like the SLK better and I don't need the extra 1,000 pounds that come with the SL.

**Dolebludger** · 04-11-2008

Pictures are often not an accurate indicator of the actual styling of a car. With me, I must first see it in person, then see it on the street, then let the styling "settle" into my old brain! As I have not even seen the new SL in person yet, I can't comment, except to say that it does not look that great in the pictures -- but that means little. I am looking forward to seeing (and perhaps driving) the real thing.

As to demographic marketing, I would suspect that Mercedes has figures showing that the SL "skews" to an older group of buyers than lower cost models -- as do all their higher cost models.

As to Monaco, I was there only briefly on a cruise port stop. I chose to use my time visiting the Prince's Automobile Museum. Well worth seeing.

Zut · 04-11-2008

I love older SL models. Based on that picture, the 2009 looks too much like a Chrysler Sebring or some other American car IMHO. As for the age thing, I believe the only reason some people tend to think the SL is a car for "older people" is the price. Unless you are filthy rich, you cannot afford one when you are under 35. BTW, I just turned 54, so 35 is young. Very young!!!

**Dolebludger** · 04-11-2008

As I am 64, 35 is very, VERY young. Almost in need of diapers! Yet, if Mercedes is marketing the SL to me, they have missed, personally. Not because of styling. Because of weight.

cyberdrakon · 04-11-2008

Besides the marketing, i believe the SL is targeted towards the older folk simply due to having far more 'comfort' options available. The SL is a much more comfortable and quieter, but the trade off is the handling is less sharp, and the acceleration relies on much more power.

MDLSLK55 · 04-11-2008

Who comes up with the reasoning on ages? There are a lot of us on this forum that are in our early/mid 20's (I'm 25) that have no problem affording these cars. I would expect that anyone who was intelligent, fully employed for a few years, and in a highly technical field or a professional field such as a lawyer or doctor would be ABLE to afford a fairly expensive car. That's not to say that it's a practical or intelligent decision

, but it's not breaking the bank. Of course, there are also plenty of younger people who come from $$ and can afford it that way or a combination of them.

In fact, a younger person who doesn't have extra expenses related to family, living, etc, might even be in a better position to get an expensive car than someone a little older.

But, all that aside, I also agree that the SL is targeted to a more "mature" audience than the SLK. Why else would a car that costs 30-40K more be slower, heavier, less nimble, have more space inside and have more "creature comfort" features...

*Btw, I'm not trying to sound conceited in any way, I'm simply trying to point out that you can't really generalize income based on age. Education and the field you're in also have a lot to do with it.

Zut · 04-11-2008

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Originally Posted by MDLSLK55

I would expect that anyone who was intelligent, fully employed for a few years, and in a highly technical field or a professional field such as a lawyer or doctor would be ABLE to afford a fairly expensive car.

Where I live, the official Government figures (2007) for a physician's salary (general practitioner) are:

Minimum $80,730 / year
Maximum $100,220 / year

The SL starts at $135,000. As we speak, our dollar is worth $0.98US. Do the math. We may have a great health-care system, but our doctors are not the wealthiest in the world.

**etyu** · 04-11-2008

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Originally Posted by MDLSLK55

I would expect that anyone who was intelligent, fully employed for a few years, and in a highly technical field or a professional field such as a lawyer or doctor would be ABLE to afford a fairly expensive car...

I don't know about the doctor part... maybe a plastic surgeon.

**-1-** · 04-11-2008

I have a weakness for ALL nice cars. Just because I like them, doesn't mean I would own one. The SL is a beautiful car, but I wouldn't buy one. I prefer the SLK for the styling, sportiness, and size. Even if the SLK and SL were similar in price. I'd opt for the SLK. I'm 57 and if I'm supposed to lean towards the SL, it isn't working. Besides our SLKs, we own a Mazda6 and a VW NewBeetle. I love my SLK the best, but I also truly enjoy driving the Mazda and VW. Customers at work assume that the Mazda6 belongs to my 25 year younger employee and his big azz Ford one fiddy is my mode of transportation. One customer wanted to know why I was driving a "young" man's car. The VW is also a fun car to drive. I always get a big kick when I see an older (70's plus, white hair) person driving a NewBeetle. Right on! Think young, act young, be young (at heart). Enjoy all stages of your life. I was happy when I was younger, but these are the best years of my life. No four door box for me.

Ikarus · 04-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Dolebludger

As to Monaco, I was there only briefly on a cruise port stop. I chose to use my time visiting the Prince's Automobile Museum. Well worth seeing.

That's more than I saw there. In the fall of 88, I spent three hours at the train station waiting for the torrential rain to subside. It never did, so I took another train and left.

Regarding the SL - to me, the old one is still one of the most beautiful cars on the road. I find it hard to believe I'll ever say that about the new one, even after getting used to the sight.

cyberdrakon · 04-11-2008

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Originally Posted by MDLSLK55

In fact, a younger person who doesn't have extra expenses related to family, living, etc, might even be in a better position to get an expensive car than someone a little older.

agreed, i did a little calculation the other day and realized i wouldn't be able to afford my SLK 55 if i have kids (even extrapolating a geometric increase in income)....better play now while i have the time and money. (yes i have savings).

Also, better play now while i can physically afford it...i may be able to make a lot more money later on, but can't stay awake or keep up!

Tslick · 04-11-2008

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Originally Posted by cyberdrakon

....Also, better play now while i can physically afford it...i may be able to make a lot more money later on, but can't stay awake or keep up!

Ya.. sure... lets go to the track sometime

coolboarder · 04-11-2008

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Originally Posted by MDLSLK55

I would expect that anyone who was intelligent, fully employed for a few years, and in a highly technical field or a professional field such as a lawyer or doctor would be ABLE to afford a fairly expensive car.

I don't think there are too many doctors in their 20's, by the time you finish med school and residency, you most likely would be 28 already, and without specialty (ie surgury too) under your belt it would be hard pressed to make over 120K right after residency. And a lot of doctors have at least 200K student loans to pay off. I think lawyer will be in worse shape just because the pay scale is lower unless you get snatched up by a big time law firm like what you see in movies, but in reality that does not happen. As for technical field, unless you are in sales and draw big commission, I doubt that too. Or you could happen to work for a startup and make a bundle on IPO, that happens, I know a few of those but they mostly opt for Porsches. Of course you can drive 100K plus car in your 20's, but that is usually because of your parents. I know quite a few of those too but almost none of them drive a Mercedes, they usually opt for more flashy cars.

**alroumi** · 04-12-2008

[quote=Dolebludger;64962

As to Monaco, I was there only briefly on a cruise port stop. I chose to use my time visiting the Prince's Automobile Museum. Well worth seeing.[/QUOTE]

I visited the Prince's collection and one of my favourite cars were the Triple Black Lamborghini Countach 25th anniversay, VW Camper , F1 Ferrari and the classic 560 SE AMG Coupe.

MDLSLK55 · 04-12-2008

Ok, so I guess I should clarify what I said. I was more so talking about cars in the SLK55 range and up to the SL550, not the SL55/SL63 AMG. In the US, the SL550 starts around 96K and the SL55 AMG at 130K. I'd tend to agree that a car in the low/mid 100's is really pushing the limits for a younger person unless they made great investments when they were just starting out or came from some money. As for the fields I specified, I was reaching for examples, maybe doctor and lawyer weren't the best choices.

You don't have to tell me about doctors, I went to Johns Hopkins for undergrad and my MSE and have multiple friends who were pre-med. One is at Yale Med right now for Neuroscience and he's still not done (8 years from start of undergrad). I also had another friend who ended up at Harvard Law after an accelerated undergrad career and is practicing somewhere in NY, but I don't really know how well he ended up (I'm assuming pretty well).

So, all I'm saying is that it's certainly possible for a "younger" person to splurge on a fairly expensive car, but it's definitely an exception to any norms.

04-11-2008	#22 (permalink)
ir-ops Lifetime SLK World Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens, Greece Vehicle: happy owner of a black on black R171 200K Sport since 07 July 08 Posts: 542 Country: Thanks: 150 Thanked 58 Times in 35 Posts	first of all, i do not necessarily agree with hwoalang, however i trust we all agree that the sl and every car in this category and price, has a specific gravity other than the slk, and subsequently targets a different age group. important is also where in the world you live and drive the car, not only the sl or slk, but in fact any car, and the local culture and economic standards. it is a different matter to have a 25-year old drive (and be able to afford) a 150k$ car in monaco (a country very popular in other threads lately, mohammed), and a much different matter to have a 25-year old drive the same car in say romania or el salvador, won't you agree? examples of countries are indeed extreme, but aren't nowadays differences in financial power amongst us also so very extreme? just my 2c brgds ir-ops p.s.1: the new sl is very impressive, but p.s 2: i'm 40 and don't feel old at all, and still like the slk better than the sl thank you very much, p.s.3: i'll finish this post now. Last edited by ir-ops; 05-02-2008 at 08:04 PM.

04-11-2008	#23 (permalink)
alroumi Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kuwait City, Kuwait Vehicle: 2006 Kleemann Designo Mocha Black SLK55 AMG Other Toys: 2007 Ebony Jaguar XKR Coupe' and 06 Black Cayenne S Posts: 6,021 Country: Thanks: 229 Thanked 157 Times in 95 Posts	I-rops agree and it basically depends on the GDP per capita of a country as you've stated and thank you for your well balanced conclusion. __________________ 06 Kleemann Designo Mocha Black SLK55 AMG 06 Porsche Cayenne S 07 Jaguar XKR Coupe' I use the Torque and keep the HP for my Steak Sauce!

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DansSlk Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wales Vehicle: 05 B55S (Brabus 6.1 S) Posts: 6,456 Country: Thanks: 84 Thanked 136 Times in 106 Posts	I've had both the SL55 and 65 and i wouldn't say they made me feel old (I'm mid twenties) but they didn't invoke any emotions either. They where very business like car's the point of them was to potter about town and go very fast in a straight line, i could not drive them with the roof down. The SLK on the other hand makes me feel good while I'm driving it and after 3 years of ownership she's the one i invested in with mod's, not the SL's __________________ One thing you will learn with German cars - If it's simple it ain't happening.

04-11-2008	#34 (permalink)
-1- Don Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Virginia USA Vehicle: SLK 55 ///AMG The MON55TER on the block Posts: 2,167 Country: Thanks: 49 Thanked 43 Times in 31 Posts	I have a weakness for ALL nice cars. Just because I like them, doesn't mean I would own one. The SL is a beautiful car, but I wouldn't buy one. I prefer the SLK for the styling, sportiness, and size. Even if the SLK and SL were similar in price. I'd opt for the SLK. I'm 57 and if I'm supposed to lean towards the SL, it isn't working. Besides our SLKs, we own a Mazda6 and a VW NewBeetle. I love my SLK the best, but I also truly enjoy driving the Mazda and VW. Customers at work assume that the Mazda6 belongs to my 25 year younger employee and his big azz Ford one fiddy is my mode of transportation. One customer wanted to know why I was driving a "young" man's car. The VW is also a fun car to drive. I always get a big kick when I see an older (70's plus, white hair) person driving a NewBeetle. Right on! Think young, act young, be young (at heart). Enjoy all stages of your life. I was happy when I was younger, but these are the best years of my life. No four door box for me. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *-----------------1-----------------* ---------SLK 55 ///AMG--------- TOP D0WN-URGE 2 DRIVE GOES UP

04-12-2008	#39 (permalink)
alroumi Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kuwait City, Kuwait Vehicle: 2006 Kleemann Designo Mocha Black SLK55 AMG Other Toys: 2007 Ebony Jaguar XKR Coupe' and 06 Black Cayenne S Posts: 6,021 Country: Thanks: 229 Thanked 157 Times in 95 Posts	[quote=Dolebludger;64962 As to Monaco, I was there only briefly on a cruise port stop. I chose to use my time visiting the Prince's Automobile Museum. Well worth seeing.[/QUOTE] I visited the Prince's collection and one of my favourite cars were the Triple Black Lamborghini Countach 25th anniversay, VW Camper , F1 Ferrari and the classic 560 SE AMG Coupe. __________________ 06 Kleemann Designo Mocha Black SLK55 AMG 06 Porsche Cayenne S 07 Jaguar XKR Coupe' I use the Torque and keep the HP for my Steak Sauce!

04-11-2008	#27 (permalink)
Dolebludger Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Yukon, OK Vehicle: '07 SLK 280; '04 C 320, '01 Honda S 2000, '98 Ford Ranger truck. Posts: 409 Country: Thanks: 33 Thanked 60 Times in 37 Posts	Pictures are often not an accurate indicator of the actual styling of a car. With me, I must first see it in person, then see it on the street, then let the styling "settle" into my old brain! As I have not even seen the new SL in person yet, I can't comment, except to say that it does not look that great in the pictures -- but that means little. I am looking forward to seeing (and perhaps driving) the real thing. As to demographic marketing, I would suspect that Mercedes has figures showing that the SL "skews" to an older group of buyers than lower cost models -- as do all their higher cost models. As to Monaco, I was there only briefly on a cruise port stop. I chose to use my time visiting the Prince's Automobile Museum. Well worth seeing.

04-11-2008	#28 (permalink)
Zut Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Montréal QC Vehicle: 2006 SLK350 Posts: 805 Country: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I love older SL models. Based on that picture, the 2009 looks too much like a Chrysler Sebring or some other American car IMHO. As for the age thing, I believe the only reason some people tend to think the SL is a car for "older people" is the price. Unless you are filthy rich, you cannot afford one when you are under 35. BTW, I just turned 54, so 35 is young. Very young!!!

04-11-2008	#29 (permalink)
Dolebludger Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Yukon, OK Vehicle: '07 SLK 280; '04 C 320, '01 Honda S 2000, '98 Ford Ranger truck. Posts: 409 Country: Thanks: 33 Thanked 60 Times in 37 Posts	As I am 64, 35 is very, VERY young. Almost in need of diapers! Yet, if Mercedes is marketing the SL to me, they have missed, personally. Not because of styling. Because of weight.

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cyberdrakon Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: SoCal, USA Vehicle: SLK55 2006 Other Toys: 560SEC 1990, CLK500 2005 Posts: 1,316 Country: Thanks: 15 Thanked 40 Times in 30 Posts	Besides the marketing, i believe the SL is targeted towards the older folk simply due to having far more 'comfort' options available. The SL is a much more comfortable and quieter, but the trade off is the handling is less sharp, and the acceleration relies on much more power.

04-11-2008	#31 (permalink)
MDLSLK55 Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bucks County, PA & Overland Park, KS (Work) Vehicle: '08 SLK55 AMG Other Toys: '07 Infiniti G35x Posts: 214 Country: Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Who comes up with the reasoning on ages? There are a lot of us on this forum that are in our early/mid 20's (I'm 25) that have no problem affording these cars. I would expect that anyone who was intelligent, fully employed for a few years, and in a highly technical field or a professional field such as a lawyer or doctor would be ABLE to afford a fairly expensive car. That's not to say that it's a practical or intelligent decision , but it's not breaking the bank. Of course, there are also plenty of younger people who come from $$ and can afford it that way or a combination of them. In fact, a younger person who doesn't have extra expenses related to family, living, etc, might even be in a better position to get an expensive car than someone a little older. But, all that aside, I also agree that the SL is targeted to a more "mature" audience than the SLK. Why else would a car that costs 30-40K more be slower, heavier, less nimble, have more space inside and have more "creature comfort" features... *Btw, I'm not trying to sound conceited in any way, I'm simply trying to point out that you can't really generalize income based on age. Education and the field you're in also have a lot to do with it.

04-12-2008	#40 (permalink)
MDLSLK55 Elite SLK World Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bucks County, PA & Overland Park, KS (Work) Vehicle: '08 SLK55 AMG Other Toys: '07 Infiniti G35x Posts: 214 Country: Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Ok, so I guess I should clarify what I said. I was more so talking about cars in the SLK55 range and up to the SL550, not the SL55/SL63 AMG. In the US, the SL550 starts around 96K and the SL55 AMG at 130K. I'd tend to agree that a car in the low/mid 100's is really pushing the limits for a younger person unless they made great investments when they were just starting out or came from some money. As for the fields I specified, I was reaching for examples, maybe doctor and lawyer weren't the best choices. You don't have to tell me about doctors, I went to Johns Hopkins for undergrad and my MSE and have multiple friends who were pre-med. One is at Yale Med right now for Neuroscience and he's still not done (8 years from start of undergrad). I also had another friend who ended up at Harvard Law after an accelerated undergrad career and is practicing somewhere in NY, but I don't really know how well he ended up (I'm assuming pretty well). So, all I'm saying is that it's certainly possible for a "younger" person to splurge on a fairly expensive car, but it's definitely an exception to any norms.