^^ thanks for that great explanation, I know no manuals will ever be as fast as F1 paddles or DSG, most of my enjoyment is just rolling thru the gears. I got it right when most companies are going to auto's b/c, it's safer for the driver and cost effiicient, with that type of power it's easy to ruin the clutch and transmission and that happens quite frequently, by allowing the computer to do all the work, things break less often. Different strokes for different folks, but it seems the older crowd prefer autos, the younger ones prefer manuals, I'm not ready for an auto yet.